alau53 wrote:i agree with TMS (the mensa scholar)..read my posts..we think alike..at least now we have something else to rot for..we'll be rooting for the rockets to lose more games than the knicks..does anyone know if the rockets dont use the 2011 option does it go to year 2013

lol... dunno if that's something u should be bragging about but the company is always welcome.

the protection on the swap rights for 2011 is just for 2011... if HOU doesn't swap picks with us, those swap rights go away & disappear... sorta like how rookies do under Mike D'Antoni.

joec32033 wrote:

TMS wrote:

If they get James and Bosh, which is Plan A, they're automatically on a championship level again. But what happens if LeBron tells the Knicks, "No thanks."

The Garden will fall down.

It's quite possible that James will turn down a chance to come to the Knicks, even if Bosh is the one player he says he wants to play with from the Redeem Team. As much as the Cavs have done for him to give him a championship team, including stealing Antawn Jamison from the Wizards on Wednesday, if he's got an ounce of loyalty, he will re-sign for three years, minimum.

If James stays and Dwyane Wade remains in South Florida, as is expected, then the Knicks will have to move onto Plan B.

That will hurt, but there's nothing written that says that Walsh has to use both slots this summer. In fact, if he can't get James or Wade with one of the two slots, he should offer a "max" deal to Bosh and hope he accepts. Then, he should wait one more summer to use the second "max."

Of course, Bosh will be in high demand, with Miami and the Bulls also looking to add the one big man who is seen as deserving of the biggest deal. But otherwise, for the Knicks, it would be wise to hold off on giving the second "max" until 2011.

The last thing the Knicks need to do is spend zillions on Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire or Joe Johnson and try to build around one of those three. If they do that, then they are inviting the very kind of trouble they ran into in the last decade. Thankfully, after seeing what Isiah Thomas did to set the franchise back, it doesn't sound like the plan.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/02/18/2010-02-18_knicks_free_up_money_for_lebron.html#ixzz0fyupf9GV

couldn't agree more w/the bolded part of this article... but waiting til 2011 is an excercise in futility, cuz that option was open to us even before this trade was made... in essence, if we don't land 2 of the top 4 FA's this summer, then this trade was completely unnecessary & we could have simply held onto our assets... Donnie needs to come through this summer & sign 2 out of Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Amare... consolation prizes like Boozer, Lee & Joe Johnson could have been signed w/o this trade being made & none of them are players u want to build your franchise around to begin with... go that route & we're just repeating the same mistakes we made over the past decade.

In like the second to last paragraph the writer makes a rather large error in what will be available to us in 2011. He is operatin under the assumption we are letting Lee walk and only getting 1 max guy in 2010. That is all well nd good but he says "....second max deal in 2011...". In 2011, under the writers assumptions Lee is gone. One max FA so we are talking at least 17 mil or so. The writer forgets Curry's contract is up so we are talking 28 mil or so available in 2011. Of the Knicks don't excercise the option on Will you are at 32 mil or so. That is almost enough for another 2 max FA.

Just my basic assumption math. But that looks kind of promising.

Jeffries & Curry's $18 mil were coming off our cap anyway in 2011... 2011 was available to us regardless of what they did in this offseason this year... the deal was made to sign 2 bignames in 2010, end of story... if we don't land Lebron & Bosh, u can bet we'll be signing 2 other guys to big contracts, but that doesn't mean this trade would be justified under that scenario... Donnie's harping about "flexibility" now & that these trades weren't made for any particular guys... that's just his way of paving the way for a possible rejection we get from Lebron, Wade & Bosh this summer so he can fall back & say we weren't making all these moves just to go all in for those guys to begin with... u know as well as i do these moves were made for Lebron James, so anything less has to be considered a miscalculation on Donnie Walsh's part.

TMS wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

TMS wrote:

If they get James and Bosh, which is Plan A, they're automatically on a championship level again. But what happens if LeBron tells the Knicks, "No thanks."

The Garden will fall down.

It's quite possible that James will turn down a chance to come to the Knicks, even if Bosh is the one player he says he wants to play with from the Redeem Team. As much as the Cavs have done for him to give him a championship team, including stealing Antawn Jamison from the Wizards on Wednesday, if he's got an ounce of loyalty, he will re-sign for three years, minimum.

If James stays and Dwyane Wade remains in South Florida, as is expected, then the Knicks will have to move onto Plan B.

That will hurt, but there's nothing written that says that Walsh has to use both slots this summer. In fact, if he can't get James or Wade with one of the two slots, he should offer a "max" deal to Bosh and hope he accepts. Then, he should wait one more summer to use the second "max."

Of course, Bosh will be in high demand, with Miami and the Bulls also looking to add the one big man who is seen as deserving of the biggest deal. But otherwise, for the Knicks, it would be wise to hold off on giving the second "max" until 2011.

The last thing the Knicks need to do is spend zillions on Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire or Joe Johnson and try to build around one of those three. If they do that, then they are inviting the very kind of trouble they ran into in the last decade. Thankfully, after seeing what Isiah Thomas did to set the franchise back, it doesn't sound like the plan.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/02/18/2010-02-18_knicks_free_up_money_for_lebron.html#ixzz0fyupf9GV

couldn't agree more w/the bolded part of this article... but waiting til 2011 is an excercise in futility, cuz that option was open to us even before this trade was made... in essence, if we don't land 2 of the top 4 FA's this summer, then this trade was completely unnecessary & we could have simply held onto our assets... Donnie needs to come through this summer & sign 2 out of Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Amare... consolation prizes like Boozer, Lee & Joe Johnson could have been signed w/o this trade being made & none of them are players u want to build your franchise around to begin with... go that route & we're just repeating the same mistakes we made over the past decade.

In like the second to last paragraph the writer makes a rather large error in what will be available to us in 2011. He is operatin under the assumption we are letting Lee walk and only getting 1 max guy in 2010. That is all well nd good but he says "....second max deal in 2011...". In 2011, under the writers assumptions Lee is gone. One max FA so we are talking at least 17 mil or so. The writer forgets Curry's contract is up so we are talking 28 mil or so available in 2011. Of the Knicks don't excercise the option on Will you are at 32 mil or so. That is almost enough for another 2 max FA.

Just my basic assumption math. But that looks kind of promising.

Jeffries & Curry's $18 mil were coming off our cap anyway in 2011... 2011 was available to us regardless of what they did in this offseason this year... the deal was made to sign 2 bignames in 2010, end of story... if we don't land Lebron & Bosh, u can bet we'll be signing 2 other guys to big contracts, but that doesn't mean this trade would be justified under that scenario... Donnie's harping about "flexibility" now & that these trades weren't made for any particular guys... that's just his way of paving the way for a possible rejection we get from Lebron, Wade & Bosh this summer so he can fall back & say we weren't making all these moves just to go all in for those guys to begin with... u know as well as i do these moves were made for Lebron James, so anything less has to be considered a miscalculation on Donnie Walsh's part.

That's why I can't buy people saying it's ok, we can just go after Melo. Well, the Knicks maybe but I'm sure Dolan won't be letting Donnie making that call. I think the point of Dolan setting up the meeting with Donnie before this deal went down was to relay such message. No Lebron or Wade with Bosh as the secondary piece means failure for the Donnie regime. I think everyone at Penn Plaza One understands this situation.

Andrew wrote:

TheGame wrote:TMac us not resigning for 5 mil.

Its entirely possible, but what is his worth right now? 7M? 10M? What is another team going to give him?

iSergio posted a recent interview with him in another thread where he flatly said he didn't care about the money. Could be posturing, but can you provide any reasons why he gets more from another team?

the only way T-Mac signs for a MLE level deal is if he does nothing the rest of this season & is still averaging like 3 points in 8 mpg.

TMS wrote:

VDesai wrote:With $32 million, there's certainly a lot of opportunity to split between 3-4 quality FA's if we are looking to build depth. David Lee may want $10 mil per annum avg, but we could theoretically start him at $8 mil to reduce the cap number burden in the first year to allow us to sign more players. Maybe you start Lee at $8-9, Joe Johnson at 12-13, Ray Felton at $7-8, and potentially somewhere between 2-5 mil for another veteran FA.

Do you guys think this is enough money to build depth on our roster for the next 3-4 years? Would this be a contending team if Gallo and Chandler continue to develop?

Still would be a big need for size.

a plan like that nets us 40 wins bro... we didn't go all in like this to be no 40 win team.

And without any of our own draft picks in the next 3 years, we're locked in at the 40 win level for the next 4 years, before things start to break down again.

Pharzeone wrote:Man wouldn't it be crazy that Lebron is just using the Knicks to push the Cavs into making moves ala Kobe a couple of years ago.

won't be the first time we've been played.

How may times did a FA like Brian Grant visit and say - wow, I'd love to play in the mecca of basketball.

franco12 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Man wouldn't it be crazy that Lebron is just using the Knicks to push the Cavs into making moves ala Kobe a couple of years ago.

won't be the first time we've been played.

How may times did a FA like Brian Grant visit and say - wow, I'd love to play in the mecca of basketball.

Yeah, I just recalling Kobe talking about leaving the Lakers to go to the Knicks a couple of years ago when he was pissed off. I think he said something like signing at the midlevel and getting his deal later down the road. Ridiculous. Just like Rasheed Wallace claim when he was trying to get money out of the Pistons.

TheGame wrote:I saw his quotes today. Apparently, if we get Lebron and Bosh, then he wants to stay. But unless he is will to resign for the vet minimum, we could not afford to sign two max guys and pay T-Mac, unless there some funky salary cap trick I don;t know about. I just don't see this guy resigning for vet minimum. Maybe if he really thinks we had a chance to go for a championship, but man a lot of things would have to go right for this to happen.

I don't think we are getting 2 max guys either. But why wouldn't you think TMac would not sign here for 5M? What do you think it would take?

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i'm going to wait and just see who the knicks sign until i make my feelings known.

sure take the easy way out douchebag

the easy way out? so basically, this is a whole pissing match over just to say 'i was right and you were wrong?' no thanks tms. i'll reserve my judgement until i see what we get in FA. how is that a big deal?

when did i say it was a big deal? u can do whatever u want... it's the easy way out tho... u have to have some feelings over this trade tho... concern, worry, trepidation, elation, ambivalence, joy, ejaculatory sensations... something.

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i'm going to wait and just see who the knicks sign until i make my feelings known.

sure take the easy way out douchebag

the easy way out? so basically, this is a whole pissing match over just to say 'i was right and you were wrong?' no thanks tms. i'll reserve my judgement until i see what we get in FA. how is that a big deal?

when did i say it was a big deal? u can do whatever u want... it's the easy way out tho... u have to have some feelings over this trade tho... concern, worry, trepidation, elation, ambivalence, joy, ejaculatory sensations... something.

yeah and i've already said them. i'm glad we got all this capspace, i think it was the right way to go but if we go out and sign stupid guys then it wasn't smart. aka, let's see who we sign and then we'll know for sure.

ok, so basically we agree (well, not entirely but in principle)... see, was that so hard?