sebstar wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

sebstar wrote:Look at this optimistically:

We now can sign two max free agents, obviously.

If T-Mac can get back to 75% of what he once was, we have a legit All-Star. Shyt, he's had enough rest LOL.

If S-Rod is who ya'll have been saying he is for the past three years around here, then we've finally got a point guard.

We were going nowhere as a franchise. Now we just need to have the basketball Gods on our side. There is no reward without risk!

Our Options(Choose 1) with $34mil in cap space approximately

You can sign 2 Max Free Agents which will eat up all the Cap Space

You can use T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee in S&T's because all will command salaries above say $3mil/yr

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with 1 Max

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee plus another moderate Free Agent

You can re-sign Lee and Sergio along with 1 Max plus a small Free Agent

We can sign two max free agents and re-sign Lee, McGrady and S-Rod.

Not with the caphold we can't.

what the hell is a caphold? I thought teams could re-sign their own free agents?

It's extremely hard to fathom, but basically, it goes like this... Lees salary, plus a certain percentage of it (same with tmacs and srods) will go against our salary cap. So what happens? We'd have to give them up in order to have the room to sign two max players. Then after we sign them (If we did sign them) we wouldn't have their Bird Rights anymore, so we wouldn't have anymore capspace to actually sign them. It sucks ars and is a real stupid rule.

scoshin wrote:If we don't get LeBron or Wade now, 2010 is an absolute bust.

Even if we get say Joe Johnson and Amare, how far do you think a team of JJ/Amare, with no PG, no bench, and only a supporting cast of Gallo, Chandler, and Eddy Curry will take us? We might sniff the playoffs but that's not even a guarantee.

Moreover, I hate how this deal pressures us to sign someone, ANYONE, in 2010. I was a fan of just sitting on our cap space if LeBron or Wade don't come here, but now if those two pass, we'll be begging the likes of 30 year old Joe Johnson to join the Knicks at the max.

Stupid, risky trade that only benefits us if we get one of the top two players in the league. Walsh needs to be put down.

There is no hedge here--if we sck if something bad happens--there is no remedy for years. The problem I have with it is we see what we could be missing this year--what if we miss a John Wall or Evan turner--guys who are probably better than any FA we are getting if we dont get LBJ. There is also a lot of intangibles were not talkking about. This is truly Lebron or bust--make no mistake--not on e person who really think basketball would say otherwise--Lebron James--or BUST.

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

sebstar wrote:Look at this optimistically:

We now can sign two max free agents, obviously.

If T-Mac can get back to 75% of what he once was, we have a legit All-Star. Shyt, he's had enough rest LOL.

If S-Rod is who ya'll have been saying he is for the past three years around here, then we've finally got a point guard.

We were going nowhere as a franchise. Now we just need to have the basketball Gods on our side. There is no reward without risk!

Our Options(Choose 1) with $34mil in cap space approximately

You can sign 2 Max Free Agents which will eat up all the Cap Space

You can use T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee in S&T's because all will command salaries above say $3mil/yr

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with 1 Max

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee plus another moderate Free Agent

You can re-sign Lee and Sergio along with 1 Max plus a small Free Agent

We can sign two max free agents and re-sign Lee, McGrady and S-Rod.

Not with the caphold we can't.

what the hell is a caphold? I thought teams could re-sign their own free agents?

It's extremely hard to fathom, but basically, it goes like this... Lees salary, plus a certain percentage of it (same with tmacs and srods) will go against our salary cap. So what happens? We'd have to give them up in order to have the room to sign two max players. Then after we sign them (If we did sign them) we wouldn't have their Bird Rights anymore, so we wouldn't have anymore capspace to actually sign them. It sucks ars and is a real stupid rule.

Damn...shyt makes no sense and is confusing as hell, but thanks for tryin to clear that up.

Thats wack, I thought we had Bird rights. Definitely diminishes this trade to me, a lil'

BRIGGS wrote:This is eddy curry all over again

This is different in one significant way. We are not getting back long-term contracts.

kam77 wrote:We still can't yet sign 2 FAs to Max contracts. We're about 1.5 mil shy.

curry buy out in summer.

BRIGGS wrote:

scoshin wrote:If we don't get LeBron or Wade now, 2010 is an absolute bust.

Even if we get say Joe Johnson and Amare, how far do you think a team of JJ/Amare, with no PG, no bench, and only a supporting cast of Gallo, Chandler, and Eddy Curry will take us? We might sniff the playoffs but that's not even a guarantee.

Moreover, I hate how this deal pressures us to sign someone, ANYONE, in 2010. I was a fan of just sitting on our cap space if LeBron or Wade don't come here, but now if those two pass, we'll be begging the likes of 30 year old Joe Johnson to join the Knicks at the max.

Stupid, risky trade that only benefits us if we get one of the top two players in the league. Walsh needs to be put down.

There is no hedge here--if we sck if something bad happens--there is no remedy for years. The problem I have with it is we see what we could be missing this year--what if we miss a John Wall or Evan turner--guys who are probably better than any FA we are getting if we dont get LBJ. There is also a lot of intangibles were not talkking about. This is truly Lebron or bust--make no mistake--not on e person who really think basketball would say otherwise--Lebron James--or BUST.

much agreed. i had hoped it wasnt the case, and now it HAS to be the case. anything else and it will be a failure as it will have meant sacrificing years for what we have seen under laymas...