Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Real reason why. Isiah drafted Chandler and Walsh drafted Gallinari. Never understood it myself except for that reason. I keep hearing about high IQ and superior skills but I don't see it other than hitting the 3 pointer don't know what advantage he has. He doesn't use his height well in the post, he seems to have real problems taking guys off the dribble, is not very creative despite the fact you keep hearing about ball handling skills that don't materialize, dribbles far too high and is too slow to be effective against wing men. I do believe there is also deeper issues between the two of them just look at Cosmic's post. He maybe the most over hyped player in NY. Once you get out of NY it is not quite the same. They break down his game truthfully.

I am not so sure I agree with you there completely. I usually go around to other boards on realgm and other teams and fans think highly of gallo. I can tell you this. the fans in minny would gladly trade the rights to rubio for gallo.. but they think chandler is trash.. I am being for real..

As far as gallo's handle. they are good man, he is not allen iverson with the ball, but he is effective. he gets to the hoop and notice how often he is fouled dribbling on his drives. He takes long strides and he can go either way with the ball, can go left dribbling just as good as he does going right.. that is not common for big men, not common for most players to be honest..

when we talk about IQ, I think about him making the right plays at the right time.. watch some of the passes he gives lee and jeffries on the pick and roll.. knowing what type of pass, and angle is important. He seems to just get it... watch the way he dupes guys into fouling him on the perimeter.. again, the kid plays with a level of smarts beyond his years.. not to say he doesn't have flaws, but it seems as if some people are taking his flaws and using it to mitigate his overall skillset as if he will never overcome those flaws..

I am talking about non-fans. No disrespect to the realgm board but from what I seen most of those guys sound like they started watching ball about 10 years ago, so I'm not surprise. His handle is good when standing still but on the move it becomes very suspect which is normally when he gets into trouble and gets his turnovers. Also, fouls calls is subjective. He tends to flop on contact which is why he seldom finishes with an and 1 call. I'm sorry but can we stop talking about his passing. He is averaging less assist than Chandler's. I think you guys want to see things because of where this organization has been. I don't want to get into this again but I don't see anything that would make me say his IQ is any higher than the majority of players on this team. He tends to make the some dumb plays just like all them. Unforced turnovers, questionable fouls and etc.

nah, man, for real and no offense as well.. there are some cats on realGM who could match or blow away anyone I know on either site when it comes to ball knowledge.. that is a very diverse group on realgm.. from doctors, to lawyers, to accountants, to college students... these guys are huge ball fans.. if you sift through the "kids" on realgm, there are a lot of smart posters there..

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Real reason why. Isiah drafted Chandler and Walsh drafted Gallinari. Never understood it myself except for that reason. I keep hearing about high IQ and superior skills but I don't see it other than hitting the 3 pointer don't know what advantage he has. He doesn't use his height well in the post, he seems to have real problems taking guys off the dribble, is not very creative despite the fact you keep hearing about ball handling skills that don't materialize, dribbles far too high and is too slow to be effective against wing men. I do believe there is also deeper issues between the two of them just look at Cosmic's post. He maybe the most over hyped player in NY. Once you get out of NY it is not quite the same. They break down his game truthfully.

I am not so sure I agree with you there completely. I usually go around to other boards on realgm and other teams and fans think highly of gallo. I can tell you this. the fans in minny would gladly trade the rights to rubio for gallo.. but they think chandler is trash.. I am being for real..

As far as gallo's handle. they are good man, he is not allen iverson with the ball, but he is effective. he gets to the hoop and notice how often he is fouled dribbling on his drives. He takes long strides and he can go either way with the ball, can go left dribbling just as good as he does going right.. that is not common for big men, not common for most players to be honest..

when we talk about IQ, I think about him making the right plays at the right time.. watch some of the passes he gives lee and jeffries on the pick and roll.. knowing what type of pass, and angle is important. He seems to just get it... watch the way he dupes guys into fouling him on the perimeter.. again, the kid plays with a level of smarts beyond his years.. not to say he doesn't have flaws, but it seems as if some people are taking his flaws and using it to mitigate his overall skillset as if he will never overcome those flaws..

I am talking about non-fans. No disrespect to the realgm board but from what I seen most of those guys sound like they started watching ball about 10 years ago, so I'm not surprise. His handle is good when standing still but on the move it becomes very suspect which is normally when he gets into trouble and gets his turnovers. Also, fouls calls is subjective. He tends to flop on contact which is why he seldom finishes with an and 1 call. I'm sorry but can we stop talking about his passing. He is averaging less assist than Chandler's. I think you guys want to see things because of where this organization has been. I don't want to get into this again but I don't see anything that would make me say his IQ is any higher than the majority of players on this team. He tends to make the some dumb plays just like all them. Unforced turnovers, questionable fouls and etc.

nah, man, for real and no offense as well.. there are some cats on realGM who could match or blow away anyone I know on either site when it comes to ball knowledge.. that is a very diverse group on realgm.. from doctors, to lawyers, to accountants, to college students... these guys are huge ball fans.. if you sift through the "kids" on realgm, there are a lot of smart posters there..

I'm not saying all the posters but the majority of posters. Actually the posters that I used to like on there normally get banned. Some of those boards should just shut down. The Lakers board is a joke. I see more hip hop related items on the board than basketball except Kobe vs. Lebron breakdowns.

This is gonna be a huge off season for Gallo. It should be his 1st time as a pro where he can get with the trainers and coaching staff to work on his game for real. I can't wait to see how he looks next year. Hopefully he's like Lee and comes back each year adding something to his game. Tho I hope he works out and gets stronger. He doesn't have to change his body, but just get in better overall shape, with more strength and explosion.

Pharzeone wrote:

technomaster wrote:Gallo's unique attributes make management gaga over his potential. Wilson Chandler fits the mold of a typical wing - not to say he's really dime a dozen, because I think he could evolve into a top 10-15 starting SF in the NBA. But you can replace him relatively easily with say, let's say a DL player like James White, and not lose too much.

Gallo's potentially a game changer. He's not a prototypical anything - he's a living, breathing, matchup problem that we can only hope continues to expand his game. But as he is today, he's already more of a player than Tim Thomas ever will be and could/should eclipse what Rashard Lewis is in the near future.

This is where the hype loses credibility. 6'10" 3 point shooters that can drive are not new.
1) KVH
2) Charlie V.
3) Jamison
4) Dirk
5) Lewis
6) Harrington
7) Hedo
8) Walker
9) Dunleavy

And that's off the top of my head. He's on your team and he is new but come on.

if you want to be technical 1/2 the guys on your list aren't 6'10".

Marv wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

technomaster wrote:Gallo's unique attributes make management gaga over his potential. Wilson Chandler fits the mold of a typical wing - not to say he's really dime a dozen, because I think he could evolve into a top 10-15 starting SF in the NBA. But you can replace him relatively easily with say, let's say a DL player like James White, and not lose too much.

Gallo's potentially a game changer. He's not a prototypical anything - he's a living, breathing, matchup problem that we can only hope continues to expand his game. But as he is today, he's already more of a player than Tim Thomas ever will be and could/should eclipse what Rashard Lewis is in the near future.

This is where the hype loses credibility. 6'10" 3 point shooters that can drive are not new.
1) KVH
2) Charlie V.
3) Jamison
4) Dirk
5) Lewis
6) Harrington
7) Hedo
8) Walker
9) Dunleavy

And that's off the top of my head. He's on your team and he is new but come on.

if you want to be technical 1/2 the guys on your list aren't 6'10".

LOL, give or take an inch. But you get the idea.

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

TMS wrote:i think there is a general perception that Gallo may have a higher ceiling than Wilson, but really based on their play you can't really say 1 is a better prospect than the other... it's all hype based judgement at this point.

I think it is a matter of draft position. One player was told that he could a lottery pick if he stays another year in college and become more consistent (Jay Bilas) since the lottery was fill with tournament players and another player came out when he was told that he would be the first European player off the board since the crop that year was weak (Jay Bilas).

to me, the thing that sets Gallo apart from Wilson is his penchant to step up in big moments & knock down big shots... Wilson has not yet really shown that willingness to take the big shots in crunchtime as Gallo has... i like both these kids but i would probably be more willing to trade Wilson for that reason alone... plus the fact that i think Gallo seems like a more logical piece to fit next to someone like Lebron for instance.

I have to say I got to see them in that position because they both are lacking in terms of willing to take shots. I recall Gallinari passing off a wide open jump shot last year to Chandler. Other than when it is drawn up for 3 pointers I don't really recall Gallinari being asked to take game winning shots. I could go back to Chandler's Boston game last year where he put up 30. I haven't really seen the coach ask either of them to really do it yet.

As far as fitting next to Lebron. I don't know about that other than parking on the 3 point line. We make the point about Lebron coming here. Well he actually plays the position that Gallinari currently starts at. Chandler is playing the 2 spot. Is Gallo going to play the 4 because that opens up another can of worms and we can begin to talk about ability to post up. Besides other than Mo Williams I don't know how many guys on the Cavs sit on the 3 point line. Ferry has gotten him shooters too but for whatever reason he doesn't flow with them. The ability to create your own shots seem to be something that Lebron likes vs. having to setup guys on a regular basis.

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Real reason why. Isiah drafted Chandler and Walsh drafted Gallinari. Never understood it myself except for that reason. I keep hearing about high IQ and superior skills but I don't see it other than hitting the 3 pointer don't know what advantage he has. He doesn't use his height well in the post, he seems to have real problems taking guys off the dribble, is not very creative despite the fact you keep hearing about ball handling skills that don't materialize, dribbles far too high and is too slow to be effective against wing men. I do believe there is also deeper issues between the two of them just look at Cosmic's post. He maybe the most over hyped player in NY. Once you get out of NY it is not quite the same. They break down his game truthfully.

I am not so sure I agree with you there completely. I usually go around to other boards on realgm and other teams and fans think highly of gallo. I can tell you this. the fans in minny would gladly trade the rights to rubio for gallo.. but they think chandler is trash.. I am being for real..

As far as gallo's handle. they are good man, he is not allen iverson with the ball, but he is effective. he gets to the hoop and notice how often he is fouled dribbling on his drives. He takes long strides and he can go either way with the ball, can go left dribbling just as good as he does going right.. that is not common for big men, not common for most players to be honest..

when we talk about IQ, I think about him making the right plays at the right time.. watch some of the passes he gives lee and jeffries on the pick and roll.. knowing what type of pass, and angle is important. He seems to just get it... watch the way he dupes guys into fouling him on the perimeter.. again, the kid plays with a level of smarts beyond his years.. not to say he doesn't have flaws, but it seems as if some people are taking his flaws and using it to mitigate his overall skillset as if he will never overcome those flaws..

I am talking about non-fans. No disrespect to the realgm board but from what I seen most of those guys sound like they started watching ball about 10 years ago, so I'm not surprise. His handle is good when standing still but on the move it becomes very suspect which is normally when he gets into trouble and gets his turnovers. Also, fouls calls is subjective. He tends to flop on contact which is why he seldom finishes with an and 1 call. I'm sorry but can we stop talking about his passing. He is averaging less assist than Chandler's. I think you guys want to see things because of where this organization has been. I don't want to get into this again but I don't see anything that would make me say his IQ is any higher than the majority of players on this team. He tends to make the some dumb plays just like all them. Unforced turnovers, questionable fouls and etc.

nah, man, for real and no offense as well.. there are some cats on realGM who could match or blow away anyone I know on either site when it comes to ball knowledge.. that is a very diverse group on realgm.. from doctors, to lawyers, to accountants, to college students... these guys are huge ball fans.. if you sift through the "kids" on realgm, there are a lot of smart posters there..

I'm not saying all the posters but the majority of posters. Actually the posters that I used to like on there normally get banned. Some of those boards should just shut down. The Lakers board is a joke. I see more hip hop related items on the board than basketball except Kobe vs. Lebron breakdowns.

yea, some of those boards are odd, but you see where the huge basketball fans are.. toronto, chicago, NY are usually the hottest boards.. minny is suprisingly active..

Cosmic wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:- Gallo's 7 ft tall
- Gallo blocks shots
- Gallo rebounds
- Gallo has unlimited range
- Gallo is a PF

- Gallo is intelligent, Chandler is dumb as bricks.
- Gallo is a dynamic player, Chandler gets lazy and chucks bricks.
- Gallo is a team player, Chandler tries to get his (and, sure, some of this is due to Harrington chucking, Nate Chucking, Duhon to Lee to Duhon To Lee, so I understand Chandler trying to 'get his' but he chucks like Harrington when it gets to that, and that's dumb.
- Gallo has the tools to be a star player - Chandler is already peaked in terms of skill (but will get more savvy as he gains experience)

There is ONE thing Chandler has over Gallo - and that's health. Gallo could be in a wheelchair in a year for all we know.

But, in the scope of comparing two young players - if you had to make a decision? You keep Gallo because the reward could be SO much higher in the end. Gallo has the ability to be a MUCH better player than Chandler in the end.

Chandler is already a poor man's Tayshaun Prince. Gallo could be Dirk.

So what would YOU choose? Prince or Dirk!?

Yeah....Dirk.

So there is why Gallo is considered more untouchable than Chandler.

Now, just to throw this out there, if both players we have right now - were to never change - were both at their ceilings - well then sure, Chandler is the one you keep.

As with anything there is uncertainty here.

Chandler is dumb as bricks??????
Chandler has peaked?????
Chandler is lazy????
Chandler tries to get his???

I kept reading waiting for the punchline but there was none....

For your guide, its been said that Chandler is the hardest working player on the Knicks in terms of working on his game...

I'm stunned...