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playa2
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1/5/2004  10:10 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I just got back from the game, and am glad I did go. It helped to confirm that we need a REAL STAR on this team.

Allan Houston won't cut it. KVH WON'T cut it.

Jason Kidd beat us tonight. He was the only superstar on the court.

There will be NO playoffs for this team. They don't deserve it. Anyone idiot (yeah, IDIOT) enough to still think that they do, need the goddamn teeth slapped outta their mouths.

Chaney gotta GO. Isaiah better make some moves QUICK after witnessing this debacle tonight. He has till the trade deadline- no, scratch that... He should make the necessary moves in the offseason. There's no need to talk that silly shyt about the Playoffs- and I am glad he was smart enough to never have mentioned some stupid-azz bullshyt like that.


When KVH twisted his ankle in practice you claimed that it was shaddy because of the upcoming opponents FAKERS ETC.. Now that Frank gets a groin pull just before biggest game of the yr I don't hear a peep. WHAT IS IT KVH HAD A FAKE INJURY AND FRANK's WAS LEGIT? Drinking that haterade again after games huh?
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1/5/2004  10:15 AM
Posted by playa2:

Silver what game did you watch, Houston sac up and played with a gimpy knee why do you think Kittles was open for those shots? When kittles was hurt he played thew same way a step slow.
What game did you watch!! DId Kidd hit all the shots in the fourth or was it Kittles? IT WAS KIDD!! Was houston guarding Kidd? What are you talking about? Read what I post before telling me I am wrong!
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1/5/2004  10:22 AM
Although he ripped us for season high 35 pts,Kidd didn't put the dagger in, it was kittles and then jefferson they only won by 10 . Kidd took over the game but the end result was him penetrating and hitting a wide open kittles. The bottom line is you would slam the knicks without their starting backcourt and I wouldn't.
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1/5/2004  10:27 AM
Posted by playa2:

Although he ripped us for season high 35 pts,Kidd didn't put the dagger in, it was kittles and then jefferson they only won by 10 . Kidd took over the game but the end result was him penetrating and hitting a wide open kittles. The bottom line is you would slam the knicks without their starting backcourt and I wouldn't.
Does that make your better than me or soemthing, are you trying to say you are a bigger fan? Or are you just stating the obvious that everyone reacts to things in different ways?
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playa2
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1/5/2004  10:27 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

They began shooting so well because the knicks stopped playing defense. The knicks were contesting shots all game long but just could'nt keep up the intensity all game long. The Net are better than us! Plain and simple.

They have complimentary players and we have complimentary players. They have defensive guys, we have defensive guys. They have Jerfferson we have KVH, k-mart for Dice but their best player's name is Jason Kidd, the knicks best player is Allan Houston. We just didn't match up.

You matched up kidd vs Houston , but they didn't check each other. Frank would have gave kidd a run for his money why not mention that. Remember how he kept Sam Cassell on his toes and almost fouled him out the game in a knicks win over minny? THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE!
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1/5/2004  10:34 AM
The entire Nets team started too shoot well in the 4th. They were shootign terrible in the 1st half and the 3rd quarter. Frank Williams would have done well but he was injuered so how do I mention that when he didn't play? Are you saying that the Nets are not a better team that the Knicks?

Jason Kidd broke us down like he breaks down every other team in the NBA. He got the open players open shots. I matched up Kidd vs. Houston not in the game, but as who did more for their team. Houston even when completely healthy cannot help the Knicks as much as Kidd helps the Nets.
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1/5/2004  10:46 AM
That is why I mentioned Frank and Houston being out made the difference along with Kidd. So why trash the knicks when they obvious didn't have the catylst Frank Williams to do damage against the nets.
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1/5/2004  10:49 AM
Since Zeke came on board and Frank Williams has started and produced, HE HAS MADE EVERY KNICK BETTER. Now isn't that what Kidd does for NJ?
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1/5/2004  11:10 AM
Posted by playa2:

Since Zeke came on board and Frank Williams has started and produced, HE HAS MADE EVERY KNICK BETTER. Now isn't that what Kidd does for NJ?
You are comparing Frank Willaims to Jason Kidd and basically saying we lost the game cause we didn't have frank williams! So is he our best player now? Ans since this team is winning with him and he started playing when Zeke came it he is the savior and Zeke is reponsible for finding him playing time right?

So Chaney has to go whichever way you look at it which is my main point. Secondly, if Frank Williams is our best player which is basically what you are saying whichever way you look at it, do you think we are going anywhere? No we are not! We are a flawed roster who can only go as far as the second round of the playoffs. We will not be able to beat Indiana, New Jersey, New Orleans or Detroit in a playoff series with this roster and that is exactly what I am saying! We got beat by a superior team!!
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1/5/2004  11:15 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by playa2:

Since Zeke came on board and Frank Williams has started and produced, HE HAS MADE EVERY KNICK BETTER. Now isn't that what Kidd does for NJ?
You are comparing Frank Willaims to Jason Kidd and basically saying we lost the game cause we didn't have frank williams! So is he our best player now? Ans since this team is winning with him and he started playing when Zeke came it he is the savior and Zeke is reponsible for finding him playing time right?

So Chaney has to go whichever way you look at it which is my main point. Secondly, if Frank Williams is our best player which is basically what you are saying whichever way you look at it, do you think we are going anywhere? No we are not! We are a flawed roster who can only go as far as the second round of the playoffs. We will not be able to beat Indiana, New Jersey, New Orleans or Detroit in a playoff series with this roster and that is exactly what I am saying! We got beat by a superior team!!

silver, you have to stop putting words into other peoples mouths. All that was said was that he makes other players better. NOthing more. If you watched the games, and I am guessing that you did, you saw the same things as everyone else: Frank makes the team better. Better than with Eisley and better than with Ward. Nothing more.

No direct comparisons to Jason, no 'best player' status.
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1/5/2004  11:18 AM
he only better than ward and eisley and yet he would have made the difference in the game and we would've won? He isn't our best player?

I might have misunderstood playa but I still think we lost not because we didn't have Frank but because the New Jersey Nets are better than the New York Knicks.
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1/5/2004  11:34 AM
Thanks Martin for clearing that up. Kidd is a MVP CANDIDATE and you trying to put words in my mouth that Williams is on kidd's level. HA HA. The difference is, this team excels with a penetrating point guard LIKE Frank who can also hit an outside shot at times.
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1/5/2004  11:44 AM
What game were you guys watching (martin and playa)? First of all Houston played, and did not look much worse then usual, he actually drove for a layup for the first time in like 25 games. His defense on Kittles was horrendous, so was Ward's and Norris's and anybody else’s on Kidd. Van Horn did his usual magic act in the 4th when he is nowhere to be found, Houston once again proved he can't carry a team, healthy or not. All in all it was a terrible game, the team fell apart after one tough shot by Kidd on that fadaway in the corner that made it a 3pt game after Kidd hit a three and we turned the ball over. It was all over after that, shows how much heart these pathetic losers have. So let me get this straight, w/out FW we can't beat anybody, the Bulls nor the Nets who suck this year? And for putting words in the mouth, get off Silver's back Martin, Playa said that if FW played he would have given Kidd fits, that’s exactly saying that FW is on Kidd's level, like word for word. Yeah and Playa when are you gonna admit that this team awful, when they are 11 games under .500 or 20?
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1/5/2004  12:01 PM
I said Frank would have given kidd a run for his money. That to me is not like the word given him "FITS". You like to make things up like silver did. Sam Cassel couldn't do as much when the knicks beat them and Frank was running the point, that was my comparison.
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1/5/2004  12:10 PM
Frank might of made a difference this game but we are not better then jersey so who cares. Good teams don't max out at 4 wins in a row then come back and lose 2 and counting.
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1/5/2004  12:26 PM
Posted by simrud:

What game were you guys watching (martin and playa)? First of all Houston played, and did not look much worse then usual, he actually drove for a layup for the first time in like 25 games. His defense on Kittles was horrendous, so was Ward's and Norris's and anybody else’s on Kidd.

I was watching the game, were you? Houston was 1-8 from the field in the first half. Is that his usual game? Everyone who watched the game saw Houston jumping off of one leg for long stretches. He just came off of a knee draining.
Van Horn did his usual magic act in the 4th when he is nowhere to be found, Houston once again proved he can't carry a team, healthy or not.

I am starting to get a strange feeling that part of VH's disappearance is due to the fact that the coach and/or PGs are not getting him the ball. Down the stretch of the 4th it was Houston that was posting up high and taking his man one-on-one. As another player on the court what can you do? KVH can call for the ball all he wants, but if his team is not getting it to him do you call it disappearing or bad play (or play calling) by other?
And for putting words in the mouth, get off Silver's back Martin, Playa said that if FW played he would have given Kidd fits, that’s exactly saying that FW is on Kidd's level, like word for word.

Let's take your analogy one step further. Bruce Bowen gives everyone fits. Does that mean he plays at their level? No.
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1/5/2004  12:27 PM
Posted by playa2:

I said Frank would have given kidd a run for his money. That to me is not like the word given him "FITS". You like to make things up like silver did. Sam Cassel couldn't do as much when the knicks beat them and Frank was running the point, that was my comparison.
First off, I never made anything up! I'm not goignt o take martin on cause he's a moderator but you don't have to abuse that little window you had! Let your imagination fly! You saying frank would give kidd a run for his money is exactly like saying frank is about the same level as Kidd. If its not, then thats not what you meant but thats how I read it!
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1/5/2004  1:02 PM
Who cares now, Marbury is here all is forgiven, lets all be friends lol. Playa I'm officially joining your camp of blind optimism. The savior has come, praise the lord
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