AnubisADL wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm still trying to understand the level of criticism that MDA gets when EVERYONE knows that he doesn't have a PG on this team he can trust to run the team consistently. He had no choice but to try and see if Duhon could get out of his funk and play better. When Duhon is on his game he's the best we have at running the point. It's just reached a point where he had to let it go and that's all there is to it.

Perhaps it's just too easy to armchair coach the team and say you would put Nate in there, but what did Nate do early on to suggest he was MATURE enough to be given the reigns for the team? He was acting like a clown and that had to concern MDA. Now he's giving Nate another chance to show something and maybe he'll step up. This wasn't an automatic move to be made much earlier as seems to be suggested by some.

D'Antoni could have had Jason Williams or Jamal Tinsley this summer for likely the minimum. He didnt want them and wanted Duhon so he made his bed and now he gets to lay in it.

Tinsley isn't getting time over Conley.

Andrew wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni could have had Jason Williams or Jamal Tinsley this summer for likely the minimum. He didnt want them and wanted Duhon so he made his bed and now he gets to lay in it.

I would like to hear your rational explaination on why JW would choose NY over Orlando.

Playing time and money.

Is the minimum more in NY than it is in Orlando?

CrushAlot wrote:Duhon is D'Antoni's guy. This is either a showcase in an attempt to trade Nate or a way for D'Antoni to say that he has tried everything and this group just can't win. D'Antoni is in a tough spot. He needs a leader to control his players and locker room but the guy he picked sucks. The high character vets that D'Antoni wants to rely on, Duhon, Jeffries, and Bender just aren't good enough and can't set the tone for his team.

agree 100% that's a big part of why DW wanted to sign J Kidd & Grant Hill this offseason, to bring in some high character vets who could actually play.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Duhon is D'Antoni's guy. This is either a showcase in an attempt to trade Nate or a way for D'Antoni to say that he has tried everything and this group just can't win. D'Antoni is in a tough spot. He needs a leader to control his players and locker room but the guy he picked sucks. The high character vets that D'Antoni wants to rely on, Duhon, Jeffries, and Bender just aren't good enough and can't set the tone for his team.

MDA DIDN'T PICK DUHON above better options. He was offered very few options by DW and Duhon seemed to be the only serious choice at PG who would accept a 2 yr contract. DO you really think that if there was a chance to get someone better MDA would prefer Duhon? There wasn't anyone else to take a chance on.

It is true that we don't have a Vet that is a good enough player to lead this team. As was pointed out that's why they went after Kidd and Grant Hill. Good character guys who are leaders and can actually play are hard to get to come to a losing situation for only 2yrs or less.

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni could have had Jason Williams or Jamal Tinsley this summer for likely the minimum. He didnt want them and wanted Duhon so he made his bed and now he gets to lay in it.

I would like to hear your rational explaination on why JW would choose NY over Orlando.

We picked Jason Williams up off of waivers. We owned his rights.

"The Knicks were awarded five days' worth of exclusive rights to negotiate with the 33-year-old by putting in a waiver claim on Williams last Friday after the Los Angeles Clippers relinquished similar exclusive rights."

"All 30 teams were notified Friday that the Knicks will have five business days, until next Thursday, to offer Williams a contract. Without an offer in that time frame that meets league guidelines, Williams would then become an unrestricted free agent."

he didnt want to sign, so he became a UFA. he went to a better team. if they really did want him, they would have had to get silly with the $$$...

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

Hughes and Duhon are different situations. If Hughes plays poorly other guys can take his minutes. The options arent good for replacing Duhon. We have no other typical PG. Nate is a turnover prone scorer and Douglas dont run an offense at all. I dont see any relation. Knicks needed Duhon to get out of his funk and he just hasnt. I would say 10-15 games is a fair stretch. Now he sits. I guess if MDA sat Duhon 2 weeks ago you would think he's a good coach?

I wouldn't have replaced Duhon, but I would have given minutes to either Hughes or Douglas, splitting their time evenly.

My argument is that as bad as a PG either Hughes, Douglas or Nate would be over Duhon, their positives and their negatives outweigh Duhon's positives & negatives.

Honestly, the offense is predicated on ball movement and being able to hit the open shot. Nate gives you that, and he can break down a defense better than anyone else.

Hughes is going to be hot and cold, but he plays great defense. Same for Douglas.

Maybe Duhon is really partying too much. I've discredited the rumors and the pictures, but maybe the dude isn't taking things seriously.

Duhon does one thing really really well that none of those guys do, and thats take care of the ball. The Knicks dont block a lot of shots, arent great defensively and are an average rebounding team. They cannot afford to turn the ball over. The won the other day Duhon had 8 assists and zero turnovers in 30 plus minutes. I can promise you that is why the coach gives him a longer leash.

Chris Duhon's assist to turnover ratio is so midsleading. He doesn't turn the ball over because he doesn't make plays.

OldFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Duhon is D'Antoni's guy. This is either a showcase in an attempt to trade Nate or a way for D'Antoni to say that he has tried everything and this group just can't win. D'Antoni is in a tough spot. He needs a leader to control his players and locker room but the guy he picked sucks. The high character vets that D'Antoni wants to rely on, Duhon, Jeffries, and Bender just aren't good enough and can't set the tone for his team.

MDA DIDN'T PICK DUHON above better options. He was offered very few options by DW and Duhon seemed to be the only serious choice at PG who would accept a 2 yr contract. DO you really think that if there was a chance to get someone better MDA would prefer Duhon? There wasn't anyone else to take a chance on.

It is true that we don't have a Vet that is a good enough player to lead this team. As was pointed out that's why they went after Kidd and Grant Hill. Good character guys who are leaders and can actually play are hard to get to come to a losing situation for only 2yrs or less.

Duhon was D'Antoni's guy. He was brought in to take the Nash role for D'Antoni. D'Antoni has shown an aversion to acquiring guys that appear to not have unquestioned compliance. The Knicks had the rights to J-Will initially, and they could have signed Iverson and Tinsley. The Knicks could have drafted Jennings. D'Antoni also has had problems communicating with talented guys on his current roster that need direction, structure and guidance from more than other players on the team.

Wow I wish I had your insight into people. You know MDA better then most of us know our wives and you've probably never even met the guy.

AnubisADL wrote:

Andrew wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni could have had Jason Williams or Jamal Tinsley this summer for likely the minimum. He didnt want them and wanted Duhon so he made his bed and now he gets to lay in it.

I would like to hear your rational explaination on why JW would choose NY over Orlando.

We picked Jason Williams up off of waivers. We owned his rights.

As a couple people posted already, this is entirely incorrect.