nyk4ever wrote:

jazz74 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:at this point, I'm pretty certain jacob is the bad guy and esau is the good guy

why do you say that?

variety of reasons really, obviously no straight proof and as of right now, it appears jacob has done nothing but good for everyone, but i think its all done to feed into his own agenda. heres just a few thoughts that have went through my mind...

- nothing on lost is ever as it seems
- the smoke monster/esau did not kill good people, it only killed people who were bad
- jacob set the stage for innocent people to die just to get the O6 back to the island
- jacob has people protecting him (cesar, illana, that other guy) who use weapons and do kill people
- jacob resurrects in sayid (if you believe that's what happened at the end of last episode) a man who has killed all his life and esau resurrects in locke who is a good man.

i mean that's just a few things, i know im forgetting some, but it's early.

couple of things are wrong with your theory. smoke monster killed mr. ecko who was a good man. sayid has killed people but so has locke. also eseu didnt resurrect locke. he just shape shifted. as far as the people dying to get back to the island, are you referring to the second plane crash? i thought most of them survived? the interesting thing is to see richards relationship with esau.

ecko was not a good man lol. he was a gangster whokilled, kidnapped and enslaved children.

who has locke killed?
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didnt ecko redeem himself and became a priest and reluctantly saved a village? became a priest in honor of his brother? he also helped many on the island. all the characters besides hurley had a shady past and redeemed themselves. locke killed the parachuter who called for the boat to pick the passengers up.

djsunyc wrote:smokey gives people a chance to repent.

eko did not repent for his sins so smokey killed him. he gave ben the same opportunity, and ben did apologize for getting alex killed...so smokey spared him. i don't think it's necessarily about good or bad...it's about redemption and taking responsibility.

i don't think the actress that played boone's sis was available for the filming so they just said she was content in staying in australia. interestingly enough, boone this time was fine with that. and locke seemed to be more at peace than the ticked off depressed locked in season 1 after being rejected for the walkabout. so both of them, i think, are headed for better times...

charlie tho, i always felt had to die and he will.

what's interesting is that locke was able to walk on the island b/c he believed. and locke2 (i'll tag characters with #2 for the alternate story going on) looks like he's going to be able to walk in LA courtesy of jack.

and it looks like juliet and sawyer will find each other off island as juliet seemed to have flashed to that before she died on island.

What if the whole thing ends up being something Locke dreams up while under anesthesia while Jack is trying to fix his back?

I don't think they would go there but they certainly could.

sidenote - for some reason when i first saw claire at the end, rousseau popped into my head. who else has been 'infected'? and how does togo (or dogo? - not sure of the spelling) know jack and claire are siblings? curious to see if claire knows where sun's plane is and if she'll help jin find her.

one thing im finding a bit cheesy is how sawyer's storyline is progressing so far. quit with all the cryin **** and start kickin some ass already broham.

jimimou wrote:
sidenote - for some reason when i first saw claire at the end, rousseau popped into my head. who else has been 'infected'? and how does togo (or dogo? - not sure of the spelling) know jack and claire are siblings? curious to see if claire knows where sun's plane is and if she'll help jin find her.

thought exactly the same thing re: rousseau. what happened to her anyway?

but it does look like claire has taken on the rousseau role as the one that set the traps and living in the woods.

which then leads to the question - was rousseau "infected" as well?

probably not...but she knew about the disease as she told sayid during season 1. then she also electrocuted him in a similar manner that dogun did in the temple. did she know how to test for the infection as well?

doesn't look too good for sawyer tho - he's in a position to be easily persuaded to join the MIB side.

i also noticed that all the folks the losties encounter in the alternate timeline were people that died on the island storyline: ethan, artz, boone, charlie, rose & bernard (who i think are dead). i wonder what the significance is.

another theory out there is that these are two seperate universes but the losties, which is why there is a charlie in one universe but a dead one in the other. and the deja-vu kate + jack sort of expierenced off the island are happening b/c both versions of them are starting to converge somehow.

seems as if sawyer is now the mib's #1 candidate, but we all know sawyer doesnt like to commit to anyone for too long (that is not named juliet that is). i can see sawyer somehow using mib to get off the island then killing him to cover his tracks.

and what about the kid in the jungle that both the mib and sawyer could see, but noone else? the notion i got from those few scenes is that the mib seems to be lashing out against the kid like a child to their parent. not sure of their relationship yet but one thing is for sure - the kid makes the mib pretty uncomfortable - i am assuming the kid represents the 'authority figure/s' who somehow oversee the 'game' and ensure the rules are being followed. one thing that became clear to me is that jacob is not really dead, even though the mib thinks he circumvented the system by taking over locke's body to kill jacob, i still think the rules will ultimately apply and jacob will be brought back to life when they reach the temple (by the chick on the beach who took some of his ash in that little bag).

btw - i'm glad they spent much of the episode taking a deep dive into the life of john locke...and ben linus, the professor, was an interesting twist....locke v2.0 (aka - man in black) is an awesome character.

My crack pot theory:

So... We know that they are all candidates for being the next Jacob now.

And that Sawyer is on the side of MIB or going to be by the looks of it.

which means that fate determined jack is going to be the new Jacob.

and as for kate well, shes not on the list, but she was touched which means that she is special and had something to do with this ending, AND WHAT TO OTHER GUYS HAS SHE BEEN PLAYING WITH AND MANIPULATING THE WHOLE TIME??? jACK AND sAWYER

but i agree that jack is meant for bigger things. dude always wants to fix things and came back to find his purpose. it could be protecting the island.

kate's a piece of tail. that's all i wanted to say about her.

so MIB was a man before so it sounds like there's another force in play here - maybe the person controlling christian's body?

claire looks terrible. she was cute, now she's all ranked up. disgusting.

i think the skeletons in the cave are jin and sun.

looks like tuesday's episode is going to be gangsta blood...

djsunyc wrote:there's gangsta blood
and then there's gangsta blood

sayid is GANGSTA BLOOD...

sayid dude.. what the ****.

that was an epic episode.

with that said, i'm done trying to analyze where they go next, just gonna sit back and watch and wait to see how they draw the final coclusions.

one thing is for certain, sayid is not the guy you wanna get pissed off at you. what was the whole thing with nadia marrying his brother? that storyline is getting kinda wierd if you ask me. also interesting is how they keep showing the characters mesh in the alternate reality thread (i.e.: sayid walking past jack in the hospital, the mercinary guy being the one sayid's brother owed money too, etc.)?