jimimou wrote:no no no blob! take that back. andrew doesnt deserve that and you dont want to be banned. i personally disagree with 100.5% of your views, but nonetheless, i will be sad if you are banned. please dont go:

jimi, is that Paul Shirley singing?

BRIGGS wrote:

JesseDark wrote:My thoughts on this matter are there but for the grace of God go I. Shirley and those on this forum who are giving support to his view certainly look like the Ugly American looking down their nose saying its their own fault. It's true true compassion isn't giving a dollar to a beggar, but these people aren't beggars. They are victims. This isn't the time to further punish the people of Haiti for the sins of their goverment. People are in need of the basic necessities to sustain the lives. Donating first aid kits, tents whatever does not aid the goverment of Haiti, but it does help the people.
When you do donate you don't it with the expectation that it might go it the wrong hands. You do it cause its the right thing to do. You have done your part.

Instead of using the vast resources of their land to promote a healthy environment for all people of Haiti to benefit and prosper from--the Haitians chose--over a long period of time to destroy it. If my part is to send a dollar knowing that it has a high possibility to fall in to the same nefarious hands that decimated the country--the only part I played is a pawn. I trust the US government will help Haiti out of this disaster to a point that they can rebuild. I do NOT trust the Haitan government with my money based on their own actions built over a long period of time.

Vast resources of Haiti? Name those resources please. BRIGGS, you are truly a fool. Orangepiece of Blob has already shown himself to be an idiot 1000 times over.

The fact is neither you nor Orange Piece of Blob have any clue about the history of Haiti in any shape or form. Best to keep your mouth shut than speak and show you are ignorant.

oohah

markvmc wrote:On the responsibility of western nations for the impoverished states of so called third world countries, I recommend Susan George's "A Fate Worse than Debt." A detailed and well researched look at how western nations have used foreign aid as a means of stripping resources from already impoverished countries.

The U.S.A. and Europe have absolutely taken advantage of the Caribbean, Mexico, South and Central America. That part of the world has been used up and kept down by the powers of the west. Anybody who doesn't realize this needs to pick up a book and read a little bit.

oohah

Nalod wrote:I don't think this is all about laying blame but more to what can be done going forward.

While the US is plenty to blame we are also right there to help in a time of need.

They need the right kind of help. Maybe we can all agree on that.

Really? I must have pretty poor reading comprehension because I saw quite a bit of blaming from a select few above.

I guess it really falls under the category of "who cares?" Ignorance will always exist.

oohah

oohah wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don't think this is all about laying blame but more to what can be done going forward.

While the US is plenty to blame we are also right there to help in a time of need.

They need the right kind of help. Maybe we can all agree on that.

Really? I must have pretty poor reading comprehension because I saw quite a bit of blaming from a select few above.

I guess it really falls under the category of "who cares?" Ignorance will always exist.

oohah

I think this cuts a little close to the bone for you.

What are we missing here? Objectivity? Can't say I blame you.

However, to start, it's absolutely true that maybe the men and women of Haiti could stand up for themselves a little bit better, and all of that. And Sebstar is right that in the end, nations that depend on other nations, constantly, for resources, end up heading all the way down sooner than later. However, there's a lot of uneducated people in that nation. For the most part, most of the people down there don't know about overrtaking a government and standing up to a dictator. They don't have the knowledge, leadership nor the resources to even overcome this situation.

And when there are dying kids there, broken up families, blood and bodies flooding the streets and people say that they wont donate because they don't approve of how the people there have handled things, then it makes me feel that those people are highly misguided and quite insensitive. Grow up. Place yourselves in a Haitians shoes and then lets see if Shirley or some people on this thread can say the same crap they are saying now.

As for donations, I don't really trust most organizations. I would think that donating food or bottled water to a church, or maybe donating blood is the best possible way to go. Perhaps I am wrong with that assessment though.