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1/21/2010  12:03 AM
if we can dump FL's contract using Nate as a sweetener, we gotta do it... doesn't even matter what kinda scrub players we get back as long as they all have expiring contracts... House, Allen & Veal off the bench would be fine with me... that also opens up more minutes for Jordan Hill in the rotation w/FL gone.
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1/21/2010  12:07 AM
TMS wrote:if we can dump FL's contract using Nate as a sweetener, we gotta do it... doesn't even matter what kinda scrub players we get back as long as they all have expiring contracts... House, Allen & Veal off the bench would be fine with me... that also opens up more minutes for Jordan Hill in the rotation w/FL gone.

agreed

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1/21/2010  12:09 AM
Agreed, but if we do trade JJ and Nate, you can say goodbye to the playoffs, do you insist on a 2012 or 2013 unprotected first round pick? I would.If the discussions get to this level, the C's are desperate, from dreams of a chip to an early exit, first round pick would be doable.
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1/21/2010  12:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2010  12:24 AM
WindsorPl wrote:Agreed, but if we do trade JJ and Nate, you can say goodbye to the playoffs, do you insist on a 2012 or 2013 unprotected first round pick? I would.If the discussions get to this level, the C's are desperate, from dreams of a chip to an early exit, first round pick would be doable.

i don't necessarily think it's giving up on the playoffs if u make this trade as long as MDA has sense enough to put Larry Hughes back into the rotation in Nate's place & splits FL's minutes among Jordan Hill & either House, Allen or TD... using a true 8 man rotation will be a benefit to this team IMO... we could probably stand to cut some of Duhon's minutes too while we're at it cuz it looks to me like he's hitting that wall again... obviously if u can milk a pick also u do it, but Donnie shouldn't let that stand in the way of pulling the trigger on this deal... u can buy late 1st round picks every year for cash anyways.

C - Lee 35 min
PF - Harrington 35 min
SF - Gallo 32 min
SG - Chandler 35 min
PG - Duhon 30 min
6 - Hughes 30 min
7 - Hill 25 min
8 - House, Allen or TD 18 min

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1/21/2010  12:41 AM
TMS wrote:u can buy late 1st round picks every year for cash anyways.

True, but the idea is by 2012 or 2013, Ray Allen and KG are retired and the celtics maybe in the lottery, that's the hope at least.
But I agree, that should not stop Donnie from making the trade if the offer is on the table and the pick is the deal breaker.

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1/21/2010  1:08 AM
u know what boggles my mind is that we spent $3M + a 2011 2nd round pick last year to buy a pick from the Lakers so we could draft Toney Douglas & paying him another $1M this year in salary, & yet we're not even playing the kid... if we make this Nate trade we'll finally open up significant defined roles for both our rookies in the rotation & we'll have the cap space to sign 2 max FA's this summer... it's a win win situation any way you look at it even if we do end up missing out on the playoffs... the only bad thing is that Utah gets a lottery pick but we don't own that pick regardless.
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1/21/2010  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2010  11:47 AM
All it requires is one random rumor on Yahoo to set the fire.

Just one

Just once I would like someone to start the "Jose Calderon headed to New York for..." rumor.

now, that's entertainment

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1/21/2010  12:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2010  1:00 PM
My cousin's roommate's best friend's girlfriend is a Knicks City Dancer,
and I just heard the Knicks are entering discussions of Jose Calderon for Hill and Chandler.
I say they can go kick rocks unless they can take Gallo's contract back as well.
Sick of getting fleeced by these other GM's.
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1/21/2010  2:33 PM
misterearl wrote:All it requires is one random rumor on Yahoo to set the fire.

Just one

Just once I would like someone to start the "Jose Calderon headed to New York for..." rumor.

now, that's entertainment

He would make us ten wins better I think....... Would love to help start that rumor!!

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1/21/2010  2:35 PM
Panos wrote:My cousin's roommate's best friend's girlfriend is a Knicks City Dancer,
and I just heard the Knicks are entering discussions of Jose Calderon for Hill and Chandler.
I say they can go kick rocks unless they can take Gallo's contract back as well.
Sick of getting fleeced by these other GM's.

They should send your friend the dancer to Toronto too....... Sweeten the deal some

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1/21/2010  3:14 PM
The offer was J.R. Giddens and future considerations. Hummmm, no thanks.

The Celtics offered J.R. Giddens and undisclosed future considerations to the Knicks for Nate Robinson three weeks ago, but talks came to a halt when Robinson had a breakout game against Atlanta.

Gary Tanguay of Comcast SportsNet and 98.5 The Sports Hub, quoting a source close to the situation, reports that the Celts made the offer for the 5-foot-9 guard towards or at the end of a stretch in which Robinson sat out 14 straight games in December. But then he played Jan. 1 against the Hawks and scored 41 points, which changed the landscape of the potential deal.

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1/21/2010  3:22 PM
WindsorPl wrote:The offer was J.R. Giddens and future considerations. Hummmm, no thanks.

The Celtics offered J.R. Giddens and undisclosed future considerations to the Knicks for Nate Robinson three weeks ago, but talks came to a halt when Robinson had a breakout game against Atlanta.

Gary Tanguay of Comcast SportsNet and 98.5 The Sports Hub, quoting a source close to the situation, reports that the Celts made the offer for the 5-foot-9 guard towards or at the end of a stretch in which Robinson sat out 14 straight games in December. But then he played Jan. 1 against the Hawks and scored 41 points, which changed the landscape of the potential deal.

14 straight DNP's had to have hurt Nate's trade value

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1/21/2010  3:30 PM
I dont think any player we get back from the Celtics can match Nate's production. They NO bench. This trade would be enormous for them. Only way we do this trade if we can send Curry with Nate, other than that its a no go.
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1/21/2010  3:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2010  3:47 PM
TMS wrote:14 straight DNP's had to have hurt Nate's trade value

I don't know if it does. It's not like he got DNPs because he was a bad player... he wasn't a player. And outside his agent poppin' ****, he handled it like a true company man. Coming back and dropping 41 shows he's still a remarkable player, especially considering he's the shortest dude in the league.

You know what, I see what you are saying in the context of that quote. Nevermind me.

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1/21/2010  3:53 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
TMS wrote:14 straight DNP's had to have hurt Nate's trade value

I don't know if it does. It's not like he got DNPs because he was a bad player... he wasn't a player. And outside his agent poppin' ****, he handled it like a true company man. Coming back and dropping 41 shows he's still a remarkable player, especially considering he's the shortest dude in the league.

You know what, I see what you are saying in the context of that quote. Nevermind me.

yeah, i don't think we needed to make it a public issue that MDA could not stand this guy on the team by sitting him for so long... it made other teams think they could fleece us in a deal by offering up scraps when everyone knows what Nate can do when he's got it going... if we'd have been playing him all along i think we would be better off in trying to get value back for him.

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1/21/2010  10:34 PM
TMS wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
TMS wrote:14 straight DNP's had to have hurt Nate's trade value

I don't know if it does. It's not like he got DNPs because he was a bad player... he wasn't a player. And outside his agent poppin' ****, he handled it like a true company man. Coming back and dropping 41 shows he's still a remarkable player, especially considering he's the shortest dude in the league.

You know what, I see what you are saying in the context of that quote. Nevermind me.

yeah, i don't think we needed to make it a public issue that MDA could not stand this guy on the team by sitting him for so long... it made other teams think they could fleece us in a deal by offering up scraps when everyone knows what Nate can do when he's got it going... if we'd have been playing him all along i think we would be better off in trying to get value back for him.

does TJ Ford have value?

he hasn't played in weeks because Jim O'Brien has stashed him on the bench and he's a better player than Nate is.

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1/21/2010  10:45 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
TMS wrote:14 straight DNP's had to have hurt Nate's trade value

I don't know if it does. It's not like he got DNPs because he was a bad player... he wasn't a player. And outside his agent poppin' ****, he handled it like a true company man. Coming back and dropping 41 shows he's still a remarkable player, especially considering he's the shortest dude in the league.

You know what, I see what you are saying in the context of that quote. Nevermind me.

yeah, i don't think we needed to make it a public issue that MDA could not stand this guy on the team by sitting him for so long... it made other teams think they could fleece us in a deal by offering up scraps when everyone knows what Nate can do when he's got it going... if we'd have been playing him all along i think we would be better off in trying to get value back for him.

does TJ Ford have value?

he hasn't played in weeks because Jim O'Brien has stashed him on the bench and he's a better player than Nate is.

I love TJ but he isn't better than Nate at this point. He had a great rookie year, is a leader and plays right. However, he has a degenerative back issue and I believe his spine is narrowing. He could land wrong in a game and end his career and possibly be paralyzed. I also think he has a huge contract but I am not positive about that. If his back was ok he would be a great pick up for any team despite his contract.


The nearly two years between the '04 fall and Ford's return to the court have been difficult, for both Ford and the Bucks. Ford has a congenital condition--he learned about it in 2001--called spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spine that pressures the spinal cord. He had surgery in May 2004, followed by monthly MRIs. Ford admits he worried he never would play again but tried to stay with the team anyway. The stress of not being able to play was too much, though, and the Bucks sent him home to Houston last January.

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1/22/2010  12:12 AM
thanks Crush... saved me the trouble.
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