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iSergio
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1/22/2010  8:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/22/2010  8:54 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Cookdcokehop wrote:I think we should sign Steve Blake

Another backup? No thanks.

If Steve Blake was our worst starter there's no problem with that. Can't have an all star at every position. The lakers and the bull both won multiple championships without having awesome PGs. And he's infinitely better than Duhon. I wouldn't mind signing Blake until we can draft a PG that pans out.

Well yeah, Steve Blake wouldn't be terrible if we sign LeBron James first. But if we come away with just Blake in 2010, it would be awful. I don't think Blake is that much better than Chris Duhon to be honest. There is a reason why Portland went and signed Andre Miller. If the plan is to have a mediocre/backup PG, you better have a SuperStar next to him like Kobe/Michael Jordan.

I still say if we miss out on King James, Donnie Walsh better put a full court press on Raymond Felton.

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1/22/2010  8:56 AM
Steve Blake career stats - 7.6 ppg, 41 fg%, 39 3pt%, 4.1 apg, 1.4 tpg, 0.7 spg

Chris Duhon career stats - 7.9 ppg, 39 fg%, 36 4pt%, 5.2 apg, 1.7 tpg, 0.9 spg

I know stats aren't everything but if Duhon isn't the answer, I doubt Blake is either.

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1/22/2010  9:01 AM
iSergio wrote:Steve Blake career stats - 7.6 ppg, 41 fg%, 39 3pt%, 4.1 apg, 1.4 tpg, 0.7 spg

Chris Duhon career stats - 7.9 ppg, 39 fg%, 36 4pt%, 5.2 apg, 1.7 tpg, 0.9 spg

I know stats aren't everything but if Duhon isn't the answer, I doubt Blake is either.

Those can't be the Per40 stats... those have to be stright stats. Adjust for minutes played and I would guess there is a significant difference.

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1/22/2010  9:10 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
iSergio wrote:Steve Blake career stats - 7.6 ppg, 41 fg%, 39 3pt%, 4.1 apg, 1.4 tpg, 0.7 spg

Chris Duhon career stats - 7.9 ppg, 39 fg%, 36 4pt%, 5.2 apg, 1.7 tpg, 0.9 spg

I know stats aren't everything but if Duhon isn't the answer, I doubt Blake is either.

Those can't be the Per40 stats... those have to be stright stats. Adjust for minutes played and I would guess there is a significant difference.

Career stats - Steve Blake 25.7 mpg and Chris Duhon 28.6 mpg. Not much of a difference. Blake is better but doesn't have that much more of an impact. : /

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1/22/2010  9:26 AM
iSergio wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
iSergio wrote:Steve Blake career stats - 7.6 ppg, 41 fg%, 39 3pt%, 4.1 apg, 1.4 tpg, 0.7 spg

Chris Duhon career stats - 7.9 ppg, 39 fg%, 36 4pt%, 5.2 apg, 1.7 tpg, 0.9 spg

I know stats aren't everything but if Duhon isn't the answer, I doubt Blake is either.

Those can't be the Per40 stats... those have to be stright stats. Adjust for minutes played and I would guess there is a significant difference.

Career stats - Steve Blake 25.7 mpg and Chris Duhon 28.6 mpg. Not much of a difference. Blake is better but doesn't have that much more of an impact. : /

With all due respect..you gotta watch the games..

Steve Blake doesn't have pictures of himself looking boozed up. He has never come into camp out of shape.

He can actually finish his layups. He can actually push the ball on the break.

I think Portland signing Miller was more of a panic signing because they whiffed on Turkoglu than anything else.

Blake has been averaging 28-29 minutes on a very competitive team that has Andre Miller and Bayless.

How many minutes do you think Duhon earns on Portland? I say he stays glued to the bench unless Miller or Bayless go down with serious injuries.

Maybe I have a bias because familiarity breeds contempt and Duhon just isn't the kind of player I can root for.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/22/2010  3:02 PM
iSergio wrote:Randy Foye? Rodney Stuckey? Haven't we learned a thing or two about combo guards being forced to be PGs?

the thought is that if u get Lebron, then u don't need a traditional PG... i like Stuckey more than Foye cuz he can defend as well as score, but he won't be an option until 2011 anyway

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1/22/2010  3:12 PM
TMS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Randy Foye? Rodney Stuckey? Haven't we learned a thing or two about combo guards being forced to be PGs?

the thought is that if u get Lebron, then u don't need a traditional PG... i like Stuckey more than Foye cuz he can defend as well as score, but he won't be an option until 2011 anyway

so you saying if knicks sign lebron, is okay to just have toney douglas

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1/22/2010  3:50 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
TMS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Randy Foye? Rodney Stuckey? Haven't we learned a thing or two about combo guards being forced to be PGs?

the thought is that if u get Lebron, then u don't need a traditional PG... i like Stuckey more than Foye cuz he can defend as well as score, but he won't be an option until 2011 anyway

so you saying if knicks sign lebron, is okay to just have toney douglas

i think we can make due w/just TD but i'd still draft a PG who can score like Nic Wise if we can pick one up in the 2nd round as insurance... hopefully MDA's mancrush on Duhon doesn't extend past this season.

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1/26/2010  12:09 AM
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Sergio Rodriguez (restricted) - Looks to be an afterthought in Sactown, only getting 13.8 mins/game this year. I think this guy's quick, very creative with the ball and a decent enough offensive player. Still very young. A guy that might really take off with an expanded role. I could see the Knicks being interested.

What would it take to get this guy, anybody knows. I think if LBJ signs, Sergio is the perfect fit.
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1/26/2010  12:25 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
iSergio wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
iSergio wrote:Steve Blake career stats - 7.6 ppg, 41 fg%, 39 3pt%, 4.1 apg, 1.4 tpg, 0.7 spg

Chris Duhon career stats - 7.9 ppg, 39 fg%, 36 4pt%, 5.2 apg, 1.7 tpg, 0.9 spg

I know stats aren't everything but if Duhon isn't the answer, I doubt Blake is either.

Those can't be the Per40 stats... those have to be stright stats. Adjust for minutes played and I would guess there is a significant difference.

Career stats - Steve Blake 25.7 mpg and Chris Duhon 28.6 mpg. Not much of a difference. Blake is better but doesn't have that much more of an impact. : /

With all due respect..you gotta watch the games..

Steve Blake doesn't have pictures of himself looking boozed up. He has never come into camp out of shape.

He can actually finish his layups. He can actually push the ball on the break.

I think Portland signing Miller was more of a panic signing because they whiffed on Turkoglu than anything else.

Blake has been averaging 28-29 minutes on a very competitive team that has Andre Miller and Bayless.

How many minutes do you think Duhon earns on Portland? I say he stays glued to the bench unless Miller or Bayless go down with serious injuries.

Maybe I have a bias because familiarity breeds contempt and Duhon just isn't the kind of player I can root for.

biased terp fan... i think blake when given the mins does ok in portland. hes now playing more of a sg than pg role due to various injuries and all. i think he would be better than duhon here. he is a pass first guy and when first getting to the nba, wasnt a consistent outside threat. he has improved a bit there.

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1/26/2010  8:17 AM
Knicks should pay the Grizz $6mm ($3mm each) for their 2 extra late first rounders. Perfect way to fill out the roster
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1/26/2010  8:45 AM
fishmike wrote:Knicks should pay the Grizz $6mm ($3mm each) for their 2 extra late first rounders. Perfect way to fill out the roster

I agree. Try to get one of them anyway -- they're gonna have three 1s next summer, currently slated to go 14, 27 & 29.

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1/26/2010  9:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  9:55 AM
WindsorPl wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Sergio Rodriguez (restricted) - Looks to be an afterthought in Sactown, only getting 13.8 mins/game this year. I think this guy's quick, very creative with the ball and a decent enough offensive player. Still very young. A guy that might really take off with an expanded role. I could see the Knicks being interested.

What would it take to get this guy, anybody knows. I think if LBJ signs, Sergio is the perfect fit.

The Kings already have Evans in place as their future star lead guard, Udrih locked up long-term as his backup and Francisco Garcia as another big ball-handler/facilitator when he returns, also locked up for at least another 3 seasons after this year. I don't see how Sergio really fits in there. He'll be a RFA but I don't see Sacramento putting up too much of a fight to keep him if someone like the Knicks ever came along with a substantial offer sheet this summer. If you're Donnie though, instead of going that route, maybe you offer up a 2nd rounder & cash for this guy right now -- this way Sac. gets a little something for him (with their PG surplus, I don't see them shelling out any kind of money to keep him) and then won't be in the position of losing him for nothing (he does have some talent - no team out there wants to lose a talented player for nothing I'm sure, even if it's clear he's no longer in the plans -- i.e. Houston with McGrady, Donnie with Nate, etc.). For the Knicks, maybe you try to go get him right now with our late 2 & cash & bring him in for the rest of the season. Then we evaluate him in our system for the rest of the year & if he works out and shows he fits, we can then negotiate something sensible w/o overpaying this off-season (sensible money along with the possibility of a starting role under Mike D'Antoni). Sergio Rodriguez & Mike D'Antoni always seemed like a good fit to me. He's young and he'd at least open up a lot of possibilities on the offensive side of the ball with his playmaking.. Are there better guys out there? Sure, but he really is a guy that makes some sense for us right now. I also don't think his value's ever been lower since being in the league - maybe we go out and steal him right now. Sergio Rodriguez & Toney Douglas might turn out to be a nice little PG tandem...There's no doubt we're in desperate need of an upgrade at that position...We probably have more of a chance of getting this guy in a trade right now than any other vet-type PG out there.

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1/26/2010  9:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  10:39 AM
I tell you what, Kyle Lowry's really a guy I like a lot. I'd love for this guy to be a Knick. He almost had a triple-double in a big win Houston had on the road against San Antonio a few games back. A tough, well-put-together 6', 200 lbs.+, this guy just explodes to the basket, plays standout defense and his PG skills are really coming along. I've watched quite a few Rocket games this year, including last night's game against Atlanta -- Lowry looks like a real steady two-way player. Doesn't make too many mistakes & plays the game very tough and hard. He's got potential for a lot more with an expanded role - very good potential as a plus offensive & defensive PG. He'll cost more than a guy like Sergio Rodriguez though I would think...Hopefully the cap ceiling's close to $58 million -- would love to get LeBron, re-sign Lee and then have at least $4 million left over to offer a contract to Lowry. That, along with at least 2 decent players with those 2s provided we couldn't find a way to move up into the 1st round, would be a heck of an off-season right there...
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1/26/2010  10:13 AM
Finestrg wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Sergio Rodriguez (restricted) - Looks to be an afterthought in Sactown, only getting 13.8 mins/game this year. I think this guy's quick, very creative with the ball and a decent enough offensive player. Still very young. A guy that might really take off with an expanded role. I could see the Knicks being interested.

What would it take to get this guy, anybody knows. I think if LBJ signs, Sergio is the perfect fit.

The Kings already have Evans in place as their future star lead guard, Udrih locked up long-term as his backup and Francisco Garcia as another big ball-handler/facilitator when he returns, also locked up for at least another 3 seasons after this year. I don't see how Sergio really fits in there. He'll be a RFA but I don't see Sacramento putting up too much of a fight to keep him if someone like the Knicks ever came along with a substantial offer sheet this summer. If you're Donnie though, instead of going that route, maybe you offer up a 2nd rounder & cash for this guy right now -- this way Sac. gets a little something for him (with their PG surplus, I don't see them shelling out any kind of money to keep him) and then won't be in the position of losing him for nothing (he does have some talent - no team out there wants to lose a talented player for nothing I'm sure, even if it's clear he's no longer in the plans -- i.e. Houston with McGrady, Donnie with Nate, etc.). For the Knicks, maybe you try to go get him right now with our late 2 & cash & bring him in for the rest of the season. Then we evaluate him in our system for the rest of the year & if he works out and shows he fits, we can then negotiate something sensible w/o overpaying this off-season (sensible money along with the possibility of a starting role under Mike D'Antoni). Sergio Rodriguez & Mike D'Antoni always seemed like a good fit to me. He's young and he'd at least open up a lot of possibilities on the offensive side of the ball with his playmaking.. Are there better guys out there? Sure, but he really is a guy that makes some sense for us right now. I also don't think his value's ever been lower since being in the league - maybe we go out and steal him right now. Sergio Rodriguez & Toney Douglas might turn out to be a nice little PG tandem...There's no doubt we're in desperate need of an upgrade at that position...We probably have more of a chance of getting this guy in a trade right now than any other vet-type PG out there.

Something like Mobley's contracr, cash and second round pick for Kenny Thomas and Rodriguez should do it I would think.

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1/26/2010  10:15 AM
By the way thanks for putting the list together. I always come back to it for reference.
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1/26/2010  10:22 AM
When Lebron comes he will let Walsh know who he wants on the team with him.
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1/26/2010  10:27 AM
WindsorPl wrote:By the way thanks for putting the list together. I always come back to it for reference.

NP. Thanks to everyone who contributed to it.

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1/26/2010  12:31 PM
Don't know much about rodriguez but I like lowry. Not really a prototype ssol guy bug mdA has shown he's not a one trick pony and dammit there are only so many Stevenash types in the league.

Dyin to see anyone other than duhon try to stee this ship

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/26/2010  12:34 PM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
iSergio wrote:I have a horrible feeling Mike D'Antoni will want to re-sign Chris Duhon.

Thankfully, he doesn't get the final call on that.

But really, I see Duhon back next year. As a back-up, hopefully. He is the only point that has two years of MDA under his belt. He'll be back, but hopefully as a back up.

if the Knicks nab LeBron, I see them making a vet min offer to Duhon.

Duhon will cost more than a vet min offer.

bwahahahahaha

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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