TMS wrote:

OldFan wrote:Bender is only getting 11 minutes a game. Don't see how Curry and Hill splitting those minutes is going to help.

u don't see how getting a rookie some playing time during a game would help? how else is he supposed to be developed? i thought MDA said it was all about that this year, to get our young guys to grow & see what we have? have Jordan Hill & Toney Douglas gotten a fair chance to show their skills this year? come on OldFan, you're a reasonably thinking poster on this board, i know u can't believe that.

Yes a rookie playing helps him but the amount of benefit Hill will get from playing 5 minutes every 3 or 4 games is trivial. To develop him you have to play him regularly.

That's interesting you asked about TD because the the poster I was discussing this with - MS - thinks TD shouldn't be getting any playing time. So MDA is never going to make both of you happy which is one of my points when a coach picks a rotation you can always second guess who should and should not play - but you can't play everyone.

It comes down to overall I think MDA has done a good job. You have to pick a rotation he has. People can always complain about your rotation and as this board proves they always will.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:i'd respect MDA's methods a lot more if he weren't such a phoney sometimes... stop the BS Mike.

Man you really are nitpicking when it comes to MDA. Coaches in general get into giving the media something to chew on, but not really always how they feel. Zeke was famous for saying that he'd lie to the media from time to time. Coaches are in a tough spot really. The media is always there looking for something to run with and they have to say something even if it's not what they may really feel inside. Riley would say stuff just to send a message thru the press. LB is famous for ripping his players in the press even tho it was overboard at times. I mean really MDA was supposed to be this players coach that had no discipline. Now he makes a stand on principle based on setting a winning tone and people actually have a problem with that.

We're winning at a much better % than in the 1st month. How much better do you think the team could be? No losses? Maybe with Nate with win 1 or 2 more games or maybe we loose a few more. This isn't a team that we can expect to just win at a clip much better than we've been doing of late. MDA's many years of coaching experience is probably telling him this, but some of the rest of us haven't gotten the message. This is not a great team. The way we're playing is pretty damn good considering what we have. There's still a chance that Nate get's back in the rotation and I hope that he has improved on his D and team play, so that he can have a positive impact in helping us get more wins.

so dude, what do u propose i do when i don't approve of something a coach is doing? shut my mouth & not say anything? just follow along blindly & pretend like everything is peachy when it's not? sorry but i'm an opinionated guy, & when i have an opinion i'm gonna let u know what it is... u might like it, u may not, that's not my problem.

i know all about the improved play of late, i don't ever recall complaining about it... i've praised this team for their improved level of play enough times already i don't think i need to do it everytime i have something negative to say about something i don't agree with... calling out a head coach for dishing out BS has nothing to do with how the team's playing btw.

I'm just making note of the fact that MDA is no different than ANY NBA coach in how they deal with players and the media. I can go and find similar actions by other top coaches and I don't find it to be a problem. The guy has a TOUGH job taking on this mess, in this city. After the horrible start, MDA got control of the team and has them playing the way they should. The guys that aren't playing simply have to deal with it. Play better in practice and there's a chance they can get back into the rotation.

Now you don't like the "B.S." well what in particular has his "B.S." done to hurt the team? In the end that's the real issue. Not wether we like it or not, cuz really you don't have to like a coach's personality or way of speaking or even the clothes he wears, but if he gets results then that's the most important thing. MDA is getting results with a far less than perfect team.

TMS wrote:i think if he's perceived as disingenuous, it's not a good reflection on our franchise & doesn't send a good message to potential FA's.

Is there a real risk here if the team continues to play well and makes the playoffs? The focus is on the wrong thing. No one really cares but the media. Wins and Losses are the most important factors, everything else pails in comparison. The nastiest and toughest coach in the league is Jerry Sloan, not even close. He WINS! that's all that matters. Players would still go and play for him despite his surly reputation. Aside from Nate and to a lesser extent Curry and Darko, who has anything negative to say about MDA? Players around the league LOVE the guy. He built up such good will with top players during his olympic stint, I doubt that changes cuz of what he's saying to the media here this year.

Lebron James and Curry have the same representation. New York does not want to piss off that agent. He has Lebron's ear. D'Antoni and Walsh needs to make a move or they just might get moved on.
Now I know some of you will say that it dosen't mean anything but it does.

rmears718 wrote:Great post!!!...The "chosen" 7 or 8 player rotation is physically wearing out @ the end of games & this team is simply not equipped or talented enough to play a shortened rotation. Please Donnie - implore your coach to lengthen the rotation & incorporate the rookies before the season is out of reach.

Agreed.

We looked dead yesterday. MDA has to show some flexibility with the rotation or the team will burn out. The rotation has been further "shortened" because Hughes has clearly not gotten back the edge he had before his injury, and is getting even fewer minutes because of it, meaning that the other players in our shortened rotation are given even more minutes. (Hughes was 30+MPG prior to the injury- since back he is playing about 15 MPG.

Who gets the minutes...

Douglas?
Nate?
Bender?
Hill?
Curry?

DJMUSIC wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Your posting privileges should be revoked.

Do not thing that remark was called for

Listen I am happy they are winning and how its going but if anyone thinks for 1 sec we really have a PG
here in Chris Duhon as a leader and starter whom makes difference then I guess we're doing better than
I am seeing.

You try to win the game
making remarks he'd rather play Satan than Nate isnt right.

I hear what you're saying about using what he got and the success knicks recently had especially at home msg,

However no one is ever going to convince me Mike saying he'd play satan is the right professional remark to make
you try to win the game. Chandler and Harrington does their thing on the wing are far too much rather hoist than
go to basket when Knicks are in games tight games that could go in their favor.

I Guess Nate is only one that cant play Defense since he got here so perhaps Knicks should cut him.
AI would have not been good enough here either.

Our winning team is Chandler, the consisten David Lee (whom plays D these days), Harrington and Duhon.

Lost souls Larry Hughes, Bender and Jarred Jeffries are consistently inconsistent & are those other role players on
this team whom likely wont be here next year.

Its understandable you win with defense so Knicks play it now better without Nate Robinson on court
better than anyone else in their conference at least to D'Antoni. We'll see how this team does in 2010
personally I think team is gonna break down playing 6-7 guys whom have played better but isnt there yet.

I dont believe NY is good enough to play 6-7 guys seven to eigth weeks in a row without some probability for
injury. Early in the year Duhon was the guy entire NY want to run out of town cause he STUNK. He's doing better
now but aint the answer in a long season. Not enough as_sists, not enough pts, not enough defense and not enough
timely jumpers by Duhon as starter PG like the rest of Knickerbocker team.

Guess later on that will be Nate Robinson's fault also when D'Antoni calls his number in March 2010

Are you just spewing random rants with a spattering of "whom"s or are you trying to make a case for something? You are entitled to any opinion but why post threads calling people names? Who sits who plays is MDAs decision he is doing what he think is best. If you know better go apply for his job. Most coaches in the NBA have team to work with we had given MDA a lose bunch of prospects and has beens with no identity. Out of that he has created a neucleus of people who are playing moderately good team defense and trying hard to win. Do you have any appreciation for how hard that is to do????

He came to team where the players openly ridiculed the last two coaches do you see that going on? Can you ever give people credit for what they do instead of this incessant whining?

In a year and a couple of months we have gone from the dregs of the NBA to a halfway respectable team that can hang with some of the better teams because of good defense. But no all you can think about is stupid effing Nate Robinson. We are not going to win the title even with Lebron in 2011 there is enough time to play the young players later on. Right now the coach is trying to build a "TEAM" and selfish pricks like Nate Robinson have no place in it.

Sit him a quarter and a half and a game but not so many games---this argument is ridiculous. If Nate had enough brain cells to get the message after one quarter on the bench or one game we wouldn't be here. Even after sitting 7-8 games he hasn't yet showed any signs of comprehension has he? If he had he has plenty of opportunity to apologize for sheer idiocy and then both he and the team can move on.

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Your posting privileges should be revoked.

Do not thing that remark was called for

Listen I am happy they are winning and how its going but if anyone thinks for 1 sec we really have a PG
here in Chris Duhon as a leader and starter whom makes difference then I guess we're doing better than
I am seeing.

You try to win the game
making remarks he'd rather play Satan than Nate isnt right.

I hear what you're saying about using what he got and the success knicks recently had especially at home msg,

However no one is ever going to convince me Mike saying he'd play satan is the right professional remark to make
you try to win the game. Chandler and Harrington does their thing on the wing are far too much rather hoist than
go to basket when Knicks are in games tight games that could go in their favor.

I Guess Nate is only one that cant play Defense since he got here so perhaps Knicks should cut him.
AI would have not been good enough here either.

Our winning team is Chandler, the consisten David Lee (whom plays D these days), Harrington and Duhon.

Lost souls Larry Hughes, Bender and Jarred Jeffries are consistently inconsistent & are those other role players on
this team whom likely wont be here next year.

Its understandable you win with defense so Knicks play it now better without Nate Robinson on court
better than anyone else in their conference at least to D'Antoni. We'll see how this team does in 2010
personally I think team is gonna break down playing 6-7 guys whom have played better but isnt there yet.

I dont believe NY is good enough to play 6-7 guys seven to eigth weeks in a row without some probability for
injury. Early in the year Duhon was the guy entire NY want to run out of town cause he STUNK. He's doing better
now but aint the answer in a long season. Not enough as_sists, not enough pts, not enough defense and not enough
timely jumpers by Duhon as starter PG like the rest of Knickerbocker team.

Guess later on that will be Nate Robinson's fault also when D'Antoni calls his number in March 2010

Are you just spewing random rants with a spattering of "whom"s or are you trying to make a case for something? You are entitled to any opinion but why post threads calling people names? Who sits who plays is MDAs decision he is doing what he think is best. If you know better go apply for his job. Most coaches in the NBA have team to work with we had given MDA a lose bunch of prospects and has beens with no identity. Out of that he has created a neucleus of people who are playing moderately good team defense and trying hard to win. Do you have any appreciation for how hard that is to do????

He came to team where the players openly ridiculed the last two coaches do you see that going on? Can you ever give people credit for what they do instead of this incessant whining?

In a year and a couple of months we have gone from the dregs of the NBA to a halfway respectable team that can hang with some of the better teams because of good defense. But no all you can think about is stupid effing Nate Robinson. We are not going to win the title even with Lebron in 2011 there is enough time to play the young players later on. Right now the coach is trying to build a "TEAM" and selfish pricks like Nate Robinson have no place in it.

Sit him a quarter and a half and a game but not so many games---this argument is ridiculous. If Nate had enough brain cells to get the message after one quarter on the bench or one game we wouldn't be here. Even after sitting 7-8 games he hasn't yet showed any signs of comprehension has he? If he had he has plenty of opportunity to apologize for sheer idiocy and then both he and the team can move on.

This post of yours sounds like it is directed at people frustrated with D'Antoni not DJMUSIC's post. I can tell you that the Satan comment is disrespectful to Nate and is an out right lie as D'Antoni only wants guys with a level of maturity, professionalism and character that requires their coach to not be an authority figure when they communicate. That is why AI isn't a Knick. I have heard people say that they think that was why Jennings wasn't drafted by the Knicks. I don't think that is accurate but it fits the pattern of this coach. An observation based on MDA's tenure in NY and Phoenix is not whinning. I have to say that winning at a rate under .40 while not playing the rookies or guys that might need a bit more structure is still the dregs and not an accomplishment especially for a guy who is supposed to be a winner. If MDA couldn't coach Nate or didn't want him back he needed to communicate that to Walsh last summer. All of the drama with the Nate situation should have been taken care of in the offseason if there were any issues. Also, the rest of this team was not motivated, professional, prepared or put in a situation where they could be successful coming out of training camp. Alot of that falls on the coach.

Correct it wasn't really directed at DJMUSIC. I started writing to hi post but then meandered off a bit. Thsi was directed at most of the people who have been vocal against Nate's benching.

Secondly I never said I was fully satisfied with MDA's coaching but the point I was making is he has done exactly what I thought someone in his position should do. Play the people that buy into the system he is trying to teach. And by system I am not talking about speed and scoring I am talking about team play, respect for your teammates and the hunger for winning. MDA's job has only started and there is a long way for him to go before I would give him an 'A' for what he is doing. But to throw soemone in this position then constsantly second guess why he is doing or not doing something based on pure conjecture is completley pointlees in my opinion.

I also didn't say they were playing winning ball, but they are trying and that is more than a hall fame coach with hard nosed defense first reputation and a hall of fame point guard was able to get out of them in the disaster that was the last four years. If you don't see the difference in these games you and I are not watching teh same thing.

If MDA couldn't coach Nate or didn't want him back he needed to communicate that to Walsh last summer. All of the drama with the Nate situation should have been taken care of in the offseason if there were any issues.

Nate is a new man, thanks to his coach laying down the law

Hopefully the young man understands he has no more need to be a sideshow freak but can be respected as a good basketball player

forget the dunk contest

just win baby