McK1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

ummm look at the statistics for one.

he is shooting 45% on 2 pts (2.3/5.1 per game avg) and 35.7% on 3 pts shots (2.7/7.1 per game avg) for December.

seems to me the numbers support he should look to take more 2's.

all i Know is I am allenfanned.

=2.3/5.1 * 2 points per shot = (EXCEL HEKP ME) 0.901960784

=2.7/7.1 * 3 fucing poinst per jack daniels shots = 1.14084507

I don't know what that equates to but I do know what eFG means!

= 45% for 2a
= 38% for 3s

One is better than the other.

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

ummm look at the statistics for one.

he is shooting 45% on 2 pts (2.3/5.1 per game avg) and 35.7% on 3 pts shots (2.7/7.1 per game avg) for December.

seems to me the numbers support he should look to take more 2's.

all i Know is I am allenfanned.

=2.3/5.1 * 2 points per shot = (EXCEL HEKP ME) 0.901960784

=2.7/7.1 * 3 fucing poinst per jack daniels shots = 1.14084507

I don't know what that equates to but I do know what eFG means!

= 45% for 2a
= 38% for 3s

One is better than the other.

To put it in another, maybe non-allanfand way

2.3 * 2 = 4.6 points on 5.1 shots for two-point field goals
2.7 * 3 = 8.1 points on 7.1 shots for three-point field goals

4.6/5.1 = 0.9 points per shot
8.1/7.1 = 1.1 points per shot

So even at 35%, he should keep shooting just as many or more threes than he has. like i pointed out some weeks ago, I think the cutoff to 'break even' on shooting threes is around 34%.

since we can expect his normal 3% to be around 40%, I say there is no issue here.

we can compare this to harrington's 29% on the season.

If you put him in this system I see him as a more efficient Harrington as a worse case scenario. He has better handle and wont miss dozens of layups.

Bippity10 wrote:You guys are overanalyzing. His role in this offense is to shoot 3's. They run screens for him 24 feet from the basket.

Pacers do the same thing for Troy Murphy...still 60.5% of his shots come from 2. The choice whether to settle or put the ball on the floor for a more high percentage play is Gallinari's. Right now he is settling too many times for the 3.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:You guys are overanalyzing. His role in this offense is to shoot 3's. They run screens for him 24 feet from the basket.

Pacers do the same thing for Troy Murphy...still 60.5% of his shots come from 2. The choice whether to settle or put the ball on the floor for a more high percentage play is Gallinari's. Right now he is settling too many times for the 3.

i noticed him taking it off the dribble more when he saw his shot wasn't falling from 3 pt range in the last game... got him to the line 7 times, which is a great for a guy who "only shoots 3's".

and yet he still got up 11 of em. the last one was a get a quick shot off and try and extend the game play so even throwing that 1 one out it was still way too many.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:You guys are overanalyzing. His role in this offense is to shoot 3's. They run screens for him 24 feet from the basket.

Pacers do the same thing for Troy Murphy...still 60.5% of his shots come from 2. The choice whether to settle or put the ball on the floor for a more high percentage play is Gallinari's. Right now he is settling too many times for the 3.

i noticed him taking it off the dribble more when he saw his shot wasn't falling from 3 pt range in the last game... got him to the line 7 times, which is a great for a guy who "only shoots 3's".

and yet he still got up 11 of em. the last one was a get a quick shot off and try and extend the game play so even throwing that 1 one out it was still way too many.

like i just said he struggled early on w/his 3 & went to taking it to the hole after more... he missed like the first 4 or 5 from the 3 pt range i'm pretty sure & then made 3 of his next 6, which isn't bad... what do u expect a shooter to do, stop shooting? he's never gonna go away from his bread & butter, but don't make it out like he can't do other things... he's already shown u he can.

where in this thread did I say he can't do other things? I've seen him do other things and prefer he does those vs jack up 3's.

TMS wrote:asking a shooter to stop shooting 3's is like asking a low post player to stop posting guys up, or asking a penetrator to stop taking guys off the dribble...

are you saying the only shot shooters take are 3's?

ray allen is a shooter. his offense since he has been a celtic has come primarily off jump shots yet he still manages to shoot over 50% of his shots from inside the arc and thats with an average of 6+ threes a game his first 2 years there.

or you are saying the only shot available for shooters in this offense is the 3?

hate to think the most can get out of Gallinari is the production he got out of Q. If so thats more cause to fire his ass.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

TMS wrote:asking a shooter to stop shooting 3's is like asking a low post player to stop posting guys up, or asking a penetrator to stop taking guys off the dribble...

are you saying the only shot shooters take are 3's?

ray allen is a shooter. his offense since he has been a celtic has come primarily off jump shots yet he still manages to shoot over 50% of his shots from inside the arc and thats with an average of 6+ threes a game his first 2 years there.

or you are saying the only shot available for shooters in this offense is the 3?

hate to think the most can get out of Gallinari is the production he got out of Q. If so thats more cause to fire his ass.

no, i'm not saying those things... are you saying that if Ray Allen went cold 1 night shooting 3's, that you'd want him shooting less 3's from there on out?

the issue isn't one cold night. gallinari is shooting 39% for the month (11 games)

TMS wrote:he's shooting the same % as Peja this season pretty much... w/as many attempts as he takes he's bound to shoot a lower percentage, but the bonus you get when he hits them counterbalances it... Gallo's adjusted FG% is .547, pretty much the same as Paul Pierce... for pretty much a 1st year player i think he's doing fine... we're getting 14 & 5 out of essentially a rookie... we should be excited, not picking apart every single reason why we shouldn't be.

do they adjust his fg% in the boxscore when they total out the games?