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AnubisADL
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12/22/2009  5:58 PM
Rookie wrote:
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AnubisADL wrote:People said the same thing about Ben Gordon. Teams have to overpay to acquire RFA's. You see how Portland tried to make Milsap's offer sheet as toxic as possible. Just because teams aren't willing to over pay doesn't mean he doesn't have value. On the other end of the spectrum you have Jarret Jack who got a nice pay day as a UFA but nothing as a RFA.

Please get back in your time machine and return to the present. While you make a good point that might apply in the future, it doesn't apply to our current situation.

You are attempting to correlate Robinson getting no offers as a RFA to him having zero value and I am showing examples of that not being the case.

What he does as a UFA (which he is not) has no relevance to the current situation or to this team. Can we just stay in the here and now?

No problem I just ask you lay off the conjecture and provide facts.

Facts:

- Today is the first day Robinson could have been traded
- Nate is a Base Year player making his deal difficult to move due to the salary cap rules
- Nate can veto any trade which limits the teams we can trade him too


Fact: Nate received no offers from any team this summer
Fact: Donny said after Nate's agent went public asking for a trade that he would try to accommodate him, but no team has called to inquire

Conjecture - zero interest equals zero current value. You can't reduce his value because he doesn't have any or - zero minus zero equals zero

- How do you know Nate received no offers? Are you his agent? You are guessing.
- More conjecture. Walsh has not received a call inquiring about Robinson. Too bad his agent isn't Walsh.

Once again no teams contacting the Knicks doesn't mean he has no value currently.

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12/22/2009  6:16 PM
wonder what Dolan is saying behind closed doors about vs Nate. Steph had many enemies w/in the organization including Straightshooter and had lost all commercial appeal. Nate, however, was a huge cash cow for Dolan.

Also Walsh sounds like he believes Nate should be playing but won't question publically.

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12/22/2009  6:47 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Rookie wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Rookie wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Rookie wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:People said the same thing about Ben Gordon. Teams have to overpay to acquire RFA's. You see how Portland tried to make Milsap's offer sheet as toxic as possible. Just because teams aren't willing to over pay doesn't mean he doesn't have value. On the other end of the spectrum you have Jarret Jack who got a nice pay day as a UFA but nothing as a RFA.

Please get back in your time machine and return to the present. While you make a good point that might apply in the future, it doesn't apply to our current situation.

You are attempting to correlate Robinson getting no offers as a RFA to him having zero value and I am showing examples of that not being the case.

What he does as a UFA (which he is not) has no relevance to the current situation or to this team. Can we just stay in the here and now?

No problem I just ask you lay off the conjecture and provide facts.

Facts:

- Today is the first day Robinson could have been traded
- Nate is a Base Year player making his deal difficult to move due to the salary cap rules
- Nate can veto any trade which limits the teams we can trade him too


Fact: Nate received no offers from any team this summer
Fact: Donny said after Nate's agent went public asking for a trade that he would try to accommodate him, but no team has called to inquire

Conjecture - zero interest equals zero current value. You can't reduce his value because he doesn't have any or - zero minus zero equals zero

- How do you know Nate received no offers? Are you his agent? You are guessing.
- More conjecture. Walsh has not received a call inquiring about Robinson. Too bad his agent isn't Walsh.

Once again no teams contacting the Knicks doesn't mean he has no value currently.

i'm with Anubis on this one... u can't assume Nate didn't garner any interest from other teams just because it wasn't reported that he got any offers this offseason any more than we can assume that other teams ARE interested... it's all a guessing game at this point... personally i find it hard to believe that a guy who can bring what Nate brings to the table in terms of scoring ability & energy off the bench doesn't have at least a few teams interested in his services, but again, that's a best guess on my part.

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12/22/2009  7:15 PM
Also, the reason Nate got no deals was because they felt the knicks would match.

Getting a 20 ppg 6th man on the cheap with no fear of matching is an EXTREMELY differet story.

Wow. You are a rookie.

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12/22/2009  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2009  9:07 PM
The title of the thread is post your N8 the great trade ideas. So, go ahead and post something realistic.....You would think that there would be interest from a team looking for energy and scoring off the bench. So, who's it going to be. Anubis, TMS, babyknicks...let's here what other teams are willing to give up for Nate.....
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12/22/2009  9:13 PM
Rookie wrote:The title of the thread is post your N8 the great trade ideas. So, go ahead and post something realistic.....You would think that there would be interest from a team looking for energy and scoring off the bench. So, who's it going to be. Anubis, TMS, babyknicks...let's here what other teams are willing to give up for Nate.....

i already posted some ideas earlier in the thread... i have no clue if teams are interested or not, just giving some ideas on what i happen to think is a fair value trade for a guy w/Nate's talent & contract

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12/22/2009  9:19 PM
TMS wrote:
Rookie wrote:The title of the thread is post your N8 the great trade ideas. So, go ahead and post something realistic.....You would think that there would be interest from a team looking for energy and scoring off the bench. So, who's it going to be. Anubis, TMS, babyknicks...let's here what other teams are willing to give up for Nate.....

i already posted some ideas earlier in the thread... i have no clue if teams are interested or not, just giving some ideas on what i happen to think is a fair value trade for a guy w/Nate's talent & contract

I can only go by what Walsh has said in public and has been reported. He actually said that no team has called. It's still early in the trading season so we'll see

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12/22/2009  9:38 PM
Rookie wrote:
TMS wrote:
Rookie wrote:The title of the thread is post your N8 the great trade ideas. So, go ahead and post something realistic.....You would think that there would be interest from a team looking for energy and scoring off the bench. So, who's it going to be. Anubis, TMS, babyknicks...let's here what other teams are willing to give up for Nate.....

i already posted some ideas earlier in the thread... i have no clue if teams are interested or not, just giving some ideas on what i happen to think is a fair value trade for a guy w/Nate's talent & contract

I can only go by what Walsh has said in public and has been reported. He actually said that no team has called. It's still early in the trading season so we'll see

he also said this season was all about developing our youth but Jordan Hill hasn't seen the light of day in weeks... i take everything he says w/a grain of salt now... he's gotta cover his tracks... & anyway weren't his words more like he hasn't been looking to trade Nate, not that teams were interested in him?

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12/22/2009  11:53 PM
Berman article so take from it what u will:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/walsh_would_consider_buying_out_BC271HiCEtKruX03CTOmZO

Knicks president Walsh would consider buying out Robinson

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By MARC BERMAN

Last Updated: 10:18 PM, December 22, 2009


Knicks president Donnie Walsh said he could be amenable to a Nate Robinson buyout if the number was right.

Walsh and Robinson's agent Aaron Goodwin spoke yesterday about the Saturday-night trade demand and will have ongoing dialogue to resolve "Nate-Gate."

Walsh has acknowledged trading Robinson could be difficult because he's only willing to accept an expiring contract in return.

The other roadblock is cap mathematics, as Robinson is a "base-year compensation" player, meaning despite his $4 million contract, the Knicks can only accept back a player whose contract is $2.6 million. If both teams are over the cap, a deal is not possible because the salaries must match. A third team would have to be involved.

When asked directly if he'd be willing to buy Robinson out like he did banished Stephon Marbury last February, Walsh did not dismiss the idea.

"When I signed him I thought he'd be an important player on the team," Walsh said. "I don't know. We'll have to talk about it, OK, what is it [the number]."

If the Knicks can save $1 million on his base contract of $4 million, both sides could be willing to go for it. That could mean a net savings of $2 million since Robinson is owed a $1 million bonus if the Knicks make the playoffs. Incredibly, with their Nate-free surge, the Knicks (10-17) are just one game behind eighth-place Detroit. The top eight teams make the playoffs.

Goodwin, in a text message, said yesterday: "We spoke and will continue to speak on it."

Walsh said he hadn't heard from any teams inquiring about Robinson since reports surfaced Saturday night that Goodwin had requested a trade. There's a chance Goodwin has been allowed to talk to other clubs on Robinson's behalf, though Walsh said last night he had "no updates."

There are teams who've had interest in Robinson, including Orlando, Sacramento and the Lakers. The Bulls, whom the Knicks host tonight (7:30, MSG, ESPN 1050 AM), are looking for scoring and Cleveland's LeBron James has spoken glowingly about the 5-foot-7½ sparkplug.

Walsh said because the Knicks are 6-3 since Robinson's been banished from the rotation, nothing is changing.

"All I make of it is this rotation is working," Walsh said. "And there's a reason not to break it up right now, which has nothing to do with Nate. If you're not playing when the rotation is working, something is going to have to happen before I get a chance to play. That's common sense."

Robinson has tried to stay above the fray, saying Sunday he hopes to "stay a Knick." Walsh admitted to being confused, saying Robinson stated "the opposite" of Goodwin's sentiment.

Yesterday, Robinson spent 40 minutes playing 1-on-1 with assistant coach Herb Williams' teenaged son, Jabrille, after practice, seemingly in good holiday spirit. When he left the court, Robinson said: "I've said everything I had to say [on Sunday]."

Coach Mike D'Antoni seems unfazed by "Nate-Gate." His mood has lifted since the team has started winning. D'Antoni has looked like a genius for making the controversial move to bench his third-best scorer.

"Nate's been great," D'Antoni said. "Aaron has to do what's good for Nate as his client. I have to do what's good for the Knicks. Sometimes they don't always have the same agenda. Sometimes you have to have patience and things work out. Sometimes they don't work out."


i think Nate's gonna get bought out personally

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12/23/2009  7:02 AM
At this point, I wouldn't take back any 2010 salary to trade Nate.
If we can package Nate with curry than I'd consider it.
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12/23/2009  8:13 AM
Lakers board on realgm seem very positive that Nate will end up in LA
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12/23/2009  1:07 PM
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Ran it through trade checker. The numbers work
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12/23/2009  1:10 PM
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

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12/23/2009  1:24 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

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12/23/2009  1:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/23/2009  1:30 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

You can also insert Harrington for Darko and the trade still goes through, but that's more going out than coming back. That said, the numbers do work. It doesn't do much to replace Harrington's 20pts off the bench but it does give us a piece for the future. Thomas is an athletic defensive minded shot blocking presence with plenty of upside. He's also a guy who doesn't demand the ball

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12/23/2009  1:29 PM
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

You can also insert Harrington for Darko and the trade still goes through, but that's more going out than coming back. That said, the numbers do work.

just the thought of getting jerome back has marv up-ing his viagra prescription for 2010

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12/23/2009  1:33 PM
jimimou wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

You can also insert Harrington for Darko and the trade still goes through, but that's more going out than coming back. That said, the numbers do work.

just the thought of getting jerome back has marv up-ing his viagra prescription for 2010

up-ing? wouldn't it remove the need for the prescription altogether?

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12/23/2009  1:37 PM
jimimou wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

You can also insert Harrington for Darko and the trade still goes through, but that's more going out than coming back. That said, the numbers do work.

just the thought of getting jerome back has marv up-ing his viagra prescription for 2010

Isn't that the one with the commercial that says - "if you have an erection lasting more than 24hrs, please see your doctor"

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12/23/2009  1:40 PM
babyKnicks wrote:Also, the reason Nate got no deals was because they felt the knicks would match.

Even if teams felt the knicks would match (which is debatable) what harm would come if they did? That doesn't seem like much a deterrent.

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12/23/2009  1:40 PM
Rookie wrote:
jimimou wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:N8 & Darko to Chicago for Ty Thomas & Big Turd

Trade makes little sense if we are going to keep playing Harrington at PF. So Tyrus Thomas would take Robinson's place on the bench?

If that type of trade goes through, Tyrus is not just a this-season asset, and by all means, Harrington may not be here all of this year and prob not next.

You can also insert Harrington for Darko and the trade still goes through, but that's more going out than coming back. That said, the numbers do work.

just the thought of getting jerome back has marv up-ing his viagra prescription for 2010

Isn't that the one with the commercial that says - "if you have an erection lasting more than 24hrs, please see your doctor"

when marv wakes up from his afternoon nap, he will opine on this for sure...

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