djsunyc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but what makes melo better than bosh?

Whaaat?? Melo is a leader of men, Bosh is a second fiddle at best.

how did you get to this conclusion?

I should have explained. Melo has lead an awesome Nuggets team to 50+ wins in the Western conference for how many years now? And he won a 'chip with 'Cuse.

Bosh has been on a mediocre team his whole career. Coincidence?

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but what makes melo better than bosh?

djsunyc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I should have explained. Melo has lead an awesome Nuggets team to 50+ wins in the Western conference for how many years now? And he won a 'chip with 'Cuse.

Bosh has been on a mediocre team his whole career. Coincidence?

did melo lead them or billups b/c i think it's chauncey...

melo's an awesome player but i don't think he's the one that's lifted them up into another level.

even if you take the Nuggets out of the equation, he was THE guy in an NCAA championship.

this is just leadership. Bosh MIGHT have that in him, but we haven't seen it yet, and the comparison you asked for was ATM (at the moment)

orangeblobman wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:I should have explained. Melo has lead an awesome Nuggets team to 50+ wins in the Western conference for how many years now? And he won a 'chip with 'Cuse.

Bosh has been on a mediocre team his whole career. Coincidence?

did melo lead them or billups b/c i think it's chauncey...

melo's an awesome player but i don't think he's the one that's lifted them up into another level.

even if you take the Nuggets out of the equation, he was THE guy in an NCAA championship.

this is just leadership. Bosh MIGHT have that in him, but we haven't seen it yet, and the comparison you asked for was ATM (at the moment)

Carmelo destroyed college kids when he was a good enough player to hold his own in the NBA. I don't know if that's "leadership". I think if you can come up with some specific examples you'd make a better case of Melo being a better leader than Bosh.

Ex:

There are some great stories out there about Jameer Nelson being a leader. He organizes outings with new teamates to try to bring them into the fold. He runs his own little preseason camp to get everyone familiar. He's not the best player on the team and certainly not anywhere near the best PG in the league but seems to be a great leader.

I started this thread because I wasn't sure if I should believe what I'm reading or this was just a grumpy beat writer.

I don't really have a problem with Chris Bosh. I guess after all these years of misery I just stupidly want some degree of certainty that if the Knicks committ serious $ and years to a player that he

a) play hard and care about both ends of the floor

b) be The Franchise. Sometimes your best player isn't going to be great vocal leader or get on any teammates who aren't trying hard enough. But at the very least if your best player works the hardest and buys into what the coaching staff is trying to do I think it's the start of building a great franchise.

dj, I take it you watch a lot more Raptors games than most of us do, certainly myself. Do you think Bosh fits that bill or that it's even realistic to expect that for max money these days?