Bippity10 wrote:
You can't seem to get over this "it's all Nate's fault" mentality. It isn't his fault. It isn't his fault by a long shot. Very few are interpreting it that way. But the team is 0-9 with him getting major minutes so what that says is that he has not earned the right to be angry that he isn't getting minutes.

the team is 0-9 with Nate getting back up minutes = the team is 0-9 with duhon starting and playing 40 minutes yet we see his trash ass out there every night.

nate is being scapegoated

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
You can't seem to get over this "it's all Nate's fault" mentality. It isn't his fault. It isn't his fault by a long shot. Very few are interpreting it that way. But the team is 0-9 with him getting major minutes so what that says is that he has not earned the right to be angry that he isn't getting minutes.

the team is 0-9 with Nate getting back up minutes = the team is 0-9 with duhon starting and playing 40 minutes yet we see his trash ass out there every night.

nate is being scapegoated

He's not being scapegoated. But I agree, it's not the most reliable of statistics to go by. Still, it's at least some type of indication and just watching the games I feel that the Knicks are a better team without Nate on the floor.

Knicks look like a better team beause they are actually running plays that suit the personnel and taking the ball out of duhon's hands

McK1 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
You can't seem to get over this "it's all Nate's fault" mentality. It isn't his fault. It isn't his fault by a long shot. Very few are interpreting it that way. But the team is 0-9 with him getting major minutes so what that says is that he has not earned the right to be angry that he isn't getting minutes.

the team is 0-9 with Nate getting back up minutes = the team is 0-9 with duhon starting and playing 40 minutes yet we see his trash ass out there every night.

nate is being scapegoated

He's not being scapegoated. But I agree, it's not the most reliable of statistics to go by. Still, it's at least some type of indication and just watching the games I feel that the Knicks are a better team without Nate on the floor.

Knicks look like a better team beause they are actually running plays that suit the personnel and taking the ball out of duhon's hands

I don't know.

Look, maybe you can't really blame Nate that we're 0-9 when he plays 19+ minutes...there could be other factors involved.

But it's impossible to deny that we're 6-6 without him, this tells me that we can win without Nate. You know? So he's not really missed, that's for sure.

TheGame wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TMS wrote:Nate's been a headache, but he's nowhere near the level that Marbury attained in NY... Nate acts like a goof & he butts heads w/MDA at times but he's not trying to undermine his coach or abandon his teammates when they need him to play... Dinglebury was a diva AND a knucklehead, pretty dangerous double whammy there... we needed to get him out by any means necessary... Nate is not a guy u simply dump for the sake of dumping him, u need to get value out of this guy, cuz he's talented & he's not a bad kid... he just doesn't know how to control his emotions at times... we need to make sure we get back a useful asset if we trade him, even a late round pick or package him w/Curry or Fishlips for cap relief... if we bench Nate for a prolonged stretch & he decides to walk & give us nothing in return, it's a big waste of a usable asset if u ask me.

Papabear Says

That's what I've been trying to say. Nate is what he is and the kids are crazy about him. Now D'Atoni is in a spot. If he plays Nate and Nate does well you better believe that he ain't coming back to New York. You can say so what. You must ask youself this. How many players that D'Antoni is playing on a constant basis is coming back. Let's see, Hughes? no Harrington? no Lee? definatly no, A superstar player Like Lebron or Kobe would know how to handle N8. N8 got the message from his agent to be good and bite your time. And we won't get nothing for him. Where ever he goes I wish him well.

Hughes actually might be resigned if he were willing to take $7 million or so for 3-4 years. Who do we have at SG that is better? Honestly, I think the 2010 dream of Lebron never materializes and we resign Lee and Hughes and let Harrington, Nate, and Duhon walk.

that would not go over well in ny

TMS wrote:

if Hughes keeps playing the way he has this year it's a no brainer to

attempt trading him dec 15th before the larry hughes of old rears his head

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
You can't seem to get over this "it's all Nate's fault" mentality. It isn't his fault. It isn't his fault by a long shot. Very few are interpreting it that way. But the team is 0-9 with him getting major minutes so what that says is that he has not earned the right to be angry that he isn't getting minutes.

the team is 0-9 with Nate getting back up minutes = the team is 0-9 with duhon starting and playing 40 minutes yet we see his trash ass out there every night.

nate is being scapegoated

He's not being scapegoated. But I agree, it's not the most reliable of statistics to go by. Still, it's at least some type of indication and just watching the games I feel that the Knicks are a better team without Nate on the floor.

Knicks look like a better team beause they are actually running plays that suit the personnel and taking the ball out of duhon's hands

I don't know.

Look, maybe you can't really blame Nate that we're 0-9 when he plays 19+ minutes...there could be other factors involved.

But it's impossible to deny that we're 6-6 without him, this tells me that we can win without Nate. You know? So he's not really missed, that's for sure.

I think one of the reasons we do better without Nate is that both Duhon and Hughes are able to find Gallo on offense whereas N8 flat out refuses to acknowledge the guy is even on teh floor. And we see that good things happen wehn Gallo is involved.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

TMS wrote:

if Hughes keeps playing the way he has this year it's a no brainer to

attempt trading him dec 15th before the larry hughes of old rears his head

if it's a trade for a piece that we can use going forward then i'm open to it, but i don't trade him for just any old expiring contract or even T-Mac at this point... he's playing great & he's got an expiring contract himself, why would u dump him just for the sake of dumping him?

fools gold. trusting hughes to play at this level beyond a contract year is just not sound.

Panos wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:
You can't seem to get over this "it's all Nate's fault" mentality. It isn't his fault. It isn't his fault by a long shot. Very few are interpreting it that way. But the team is 0-9 with him getting major minutes so what that says is that he has not earned the right to be angry that he isn't getting minutes.

the team is 0-9 with Nate getting back up minutes = the team is 0-9 with duhon starting and playing 40 minutes yet we see his trash ass out there every night.

nate is being scapegoated

He's not being scapegoated. But I agree, it's not the most reliable of statistics to go by. Still, it's at least some type of indication and just watching the games I feel that the Knicks are a better team without Nate on the floor.

Knicks look like a better team beause they are actually running plays that suit the personnel and taking the ball out of duhon's hands

I don't know.

Look, maybe you can't really blame Nate that we're 0-9 when he plays 19+ minutes...there could be other factors involved.

But it's impossible to deny that we're 6-6 without him, this tells me that we can win without Nate. You know? So he's not really missed, that's for sure.

Not its not a reliable statistic. What is the significance of the 19 minute mark?
I'll tell you, its the number that most makes the point of the person compiling the statistic.
I can do the same thing.
We're 1-8 when Chandler plays 35 mins or more. Look it up.
We're 2-5 when Douglas plays 20 mins or more.
I'm sure we can do this all day on a team with a bad record.

It's something sensational used to further a point, but you're not supposed to look at it too closely. If you look at it too closely the flaws become apparent.

Still, I don't disagree with the point, which, to me, is that we play better without Nate.

Sometimes it's a good strategy, especially when the underlying idea is strong. Maybe a little dishonest though. Blame Howard Beck for starting it.