JesseDark wrote:Are we witnessing the Marburyization of Nate. C'mon on a team desperate for scoring this doesn't make sense IMO.

i like that, is very good.

but it make sense, i say why: we average like, 100+ ppg, we no desperate for scoring...and nate gloating after jumpshots does not add anything to the one area we do need help in-- defense. also, team is screwed up to begin with, we better build strong cultural foundation than give season away to silly little man. when i think nate, i think ai, and when i think ai, i think marbury.

Bippity10 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

“We want to win, and if he’s conducive to winning, then he’ll obviously be back in the lineup,” D’Antoni told reporters. “If not, then not. I’m not going to explain everything. I did not play Darko. No one asked me about that. Why didn’t I play Marcus last game? We could go through the whole thing.

“I won’t sit here and explain it, and it’s something that we’re trying to build, a winning group.”

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/robinson-appears-securely-seated-in-dantonis-doghouse/

so nate and darko are the main reasons NY is 4-15...

not harrington's selfishness in key moments, duhons 20% from the field or his inability to beat anyone off the dribble or his Lee or bust pass distribution ratio...why is Jared Jeffries ever behind the 3 line especially at the end of halves for a team that every possession truly matters too and he ends up with the shot...why is lee being asked to anchor the defense...

escapegoats!

It's not the record he is concerned with. It's the culture. We are trying to change the culture. If you do what the coaches say you have freedom in this offense to be whoever you want to be. Nate is included in this. If you don't, then you don't play. If you shoot in the wrong basket you don't play. If you preen and pose while the opponent is still playing you don't play. If you shout and flex when your team is down 20 your don't play. If you give effort and suck you play. We are rebuidling. The effort and attitude is the most important thing right now. It's that simple.

Quadruple that! This summarizes everyhting D'Antoni should be and is doing. End of Discussion.

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

“We want to win, and if he’s conducive to winning, then he’ll obviously be back in the lineup,” D’Antoni told reporters. “If not, then not. I’m not going to explain everything. I did not play Darko. No one asked me about that. Why didn’t I play Marcus last game? We could go through the whole thing.

“I won’t sit here and explain it, and it’s something that we’re trying to build, a winning group.”

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/robinson-appears-securely-seated-in-dantonis-doghouse/

so nate and darko are the main reasons NY is 4-15...

not harrington's selfishness in key moments, duhons 20% from the field or his inability to beat anyone off the dribble or his Lee or bust pass distribution ratio...why is Jared Jeffries ever behind the 3 line especially at the end of halves for a team that every possession truly matters too and he ends up with the shot...why is lee being asked to anchor the defense...

escapegoats!

It's not the record he is concerned with. It's the culture. We are trying to change the culture. If you do what the coaches say you have freedom in this offense to be whoever you want to be. Nate is included in this. If you don't, then you don't play. If you shoot in the wrong basket you don't play. If you preen and pose while the opponent is still playing you don't play. If you shout and flex when your team is down 20 your don't play. If you give effort and suck you play. We are rebuidling. The effort and attitude is the most important thing right now. It's that simple.

bip I'm quite sure if they hired you changing the culture would be a genuine approach. said he is playing the vets so much b/c he cares about them getting their next nba contract. The team is full of a whole bunch of guys who won't be here. How can you establish any kind o fculture with a roster that is goung to be completely overturned. What kind of message does it send to the guys that will be here when you suck as bad as duhon has or play as selfishly as Al has and you still get 40 minutes?

That's the difficulty that D'Antoni is working under. You can't just give up on the vets because they are playing poorly. IF they give effort and are doing what you ask, then they play.

As for the quesiton of what message it sends to the young guys? It says, if Duhon sucks as bad as he does and you can't clearly beat him out for the position, then you really need to get in the gym and work on your game. A future big time talent will take this challenge and run with it. A mental midget like the guys we've had here for years will pout and moan and complain about the coach. Judging by the all out intensity that guys like Hill and Douglas are showing when they get a moment on the court, they are clearly getting the message.

Marv wrote:so why did walsh re-sign him? it was obvious last year that d'antoni coudln't stand his guts.

what you mean why, mr. marv? so he can keep options open. maybe we wheel and deal .

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:so why did walsh re-sign him? it was obvious last year that d'antoni coudln't stand his guts.

what you mean why, mr. marv? so he can keep options open. maybe we wheel and deal .

but people are claiming in another thread that donnie gets players that his coach wants.

the other thread is a mess. does donnie, more than other gms, consider what his coach wants, what his coach needs? i think, yes. but believe you obm, if mda was stupid or he want bad player, donnie put fut down. there is a line of command.

Bippity10 wrote:

kam77 wrote:So i guess Larry Brown was right.

He was wrong in the way he implemented his ideas. But his ideas were 100% dead on. It was time to gut the team and get rid of all the losers.

so maybe, direction good but approach wrong

JesseDark wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Are we witnessing the Marburyization of Nate. C'mon on a team desperate for scoring this doesn't make sense IMO.

Did you ever watch Hoosiers

Ref: You need one more coach
Coach: My team is on the floor

His team needed five players to win. But he stuck with the guys that were part of the "team". D'Anton is doing the same

I get your point but don't think Nate has done enough to warrant being taken out of the line up permanently. The straw that apparently broke the camels back was the shooting at the wrong basket. handled that correctly by benching him. The defense lapses go beyond Nate. This should be a non issue and Nate should be in the rotation. This seems too much like the way he dealt with Marbury and can lead to D'antoni boxing himself into a corner if a injury occurs.

Jesse, my guess is that there is more to it then what we know. We are fans that get our news from the media. Despite what we fans think about how much we know, typically we know less then 50% of what's going on.

McK1 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Are we witnessing the Marburyization of Nate. C'mon on a team desperate for scoring this doesn't make sense IMO.

Did you ever watch Hoosiers

Ref: You need one more coach
Coach: My team is on the floor

His team needed five players to win. But he stuck with the guys that were part of the "team". D'Anton is doing the same

I get your point but don't think Nate has done enough to warrant being taken out of the line up permanently. The straw that apparently broke the camels back was the shooting at the wrong basket. handled that correctly by benching him. The defense lapses go beyond Nate. This should be a non issue and Nate should be in the rotation. This seems too much like the way he dealt with Marbury and can lead to D'antoni boxing himself into a corner if a injury occurs.

Jesse, my guess is that there is more to it then what we know. We are fans that get our news from the media. Despite what we fans think about how much we know, typically we know less then 50% of what's going on.

My guess is after media calls for Duhon to be benched and Nate to start, gloated about beating the Suns and praising his pet Dudee while dismissing Nate when Nate kindly reminded him the Knix are 4-14 and are 30 games under .500 with his pet Dudee running the show. 's ego couldn't take it so he benched Nate against the very Magic he scored 20 in a qtr on to prove the Suns game wasn't a fluke. Hopefully the old man is awake from his nap to end this ego-driven derisive campaign against Nate.

how can you not think that nate is a coach's nightmare? this is a professional league, grown-ass men are making their livings playing in it and coaching it, and nate is like an annoying adolescent. who in the league wants to coach that?

McK1 wrote:we'll find out this summer when he is unrestricted. My guess is Riley will sign him.

why wouldn’t any team give him an offer last summer? the worst thing that happens is it gets matched. i think the interest is nil.

McK1 wrote:

Marv wrote:

McK1 wrote:we'll find out this summer when he is unrestricted. My guess is Riley will sign him.

why wouldn’t any team give him an offer last summer? the worst thing that happens is it gets matched. i think the interest is nil.

because Nate wasn't interested in going anywhere else last summer.

Nate was insterested inj getting a long tem deal. It was in his interest to sign elsewhere to provoke the Knicks to match.