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11/27/2009  2:17 AM
^^ Gallinari will never be able to move as well as Kukoc. I think the valid Kukoc comparison is pretty much shooting and not much else.

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11/27/2009  2:44 AM
oohah wrote:^^ Gallinari will never be able to move as well as Kukoc. I think the valid Kukoc comparison is pretty much shooting and not much else.

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i agree w/u that Kukoc had better handle & more fluid moving on the floor, but other than just shooting i think they have the same kind of lanky herky jerky motion when they're taking guys off the dribble... Kukoc was a much more creative passer & had more leadership qualities, but Gallo's still very young & hasn't yet been looked upon to take any kind of leadership position on the team's he's played on... & when i bring up Kukoc i'm also referring to the level of player he eventually became... IMO the Kukoc comparison is a lot closer to accurate than the Dirk or Boki Nachbar extremes i've heard other posters make on this forum.

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11/27/2009  6:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

I'm not saying that Gallo is in the realm or Larry Bird either, in fact I'll say he's not that good. But just to set the record straight, Larry Bird was in college when he was Gallo's age.

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11/27/2009  7:35 AM
Not that they should be tired from so much burn; but back to back, away and a shift to later hours are something that affects rooks more than vets too?
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/27/2009  7:40 AM
Ira wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

I'm not saying that Gallo is in the realm or Larry Bird either, in fact I'll say he's not that good. But just to set the record straight, Larry Bird was in college when he was Gallo's age.


and before Birds 'burnout' Gallo active on defense he should demand the ball more. He would do nice to work the offense from the top of the key as a passer. And would be able to spot up from there 4-5 times a game likely if they did.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/27/2009  7:54 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
Ira wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

I'm not saying that Gallo is in the realm or Larry Bird either, in fact I'll say he's not that good. But just to set the record straight, Larry Bird was in college when he was Gallo's age.


and before Birds 'burnout' Gallo active on defense he should demand the ball more. He would do nice to work the offense from the top of the key as a passer. And would be able to spot up from there 4-5 times a game likely if they did.

yeah, i really think they should have gallo orchestrate the pick and roll from the top of the key a few times a game.

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11/27/2009  9:27 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
Ira wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

I'm not saying that Gallo is in the realm or Larry Bird either, in fact I'll say he's not that good. But just to set the record straight, Larry Bird was in college when he was Gallo's age.


and before Birds 'burnout' Gallo active on defense he should demand the ball more. He would do nice to work the offense from the top of the key as a passer. And would be able to spot up from there 4-5 times a game likely if they did.

yeah, i really think they should have gallo orchestrate the pick and roll from the top of the key a few times a game.

think Coach K and the way he uses Singler and did Laetner

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/27/2009  9:49 AM
I think the point of this thread, and sadly I agree with it, is that the Knicks are the least talented team in the NBA. I would say the Nets are pretty close though
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11/27/2009  11:33 AM
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6/24/2009 12:59 PM

It's a talent league always has been always will be. Tyreke Evans is the second best talent in this draft. He can handle the ball as good as any 5-11 guard in the draft and the power to go right through them. He is a mismatch nightmare and has all the tools. He has star player written all over him. In fact I would say its Evans Griffin and everyone else.

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6/24/2009 12:59 PM

His body length handle and power for 19 years old is unique and will make him special. He can separate from defenders using a variety of these assets and will be a nightmare for opposing teams when he is utilized as the 1 guard. He also adds good vision rebounding and very solid defense--he doesn't have the uber athleticism--but he doesn't need it. He's got an *it* factor


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If we steal this guy at 8--it will be the best move the franchise actually made for itself in more than 10 years. You cant worry about a system or position--this is a talent league and this is the 2nd best talent in this draft. This guy will absolutely thrive on this team and if we are lucky to get him--lucky if the chips fall right--we have something here. This team has been on the sht end of decisions too many times. This is the right decision.
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11/27/2009  5:40 PM
we get it BRIGGS, u were high on Evans... thats nice... but we had no shot at him at #8.
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11/28/2009  1:39 AM
It's funny but if you look at the draft--the team who has gotten the least out of it's rookies[in a meaningful way] is the Knicks. I means if they could help the team win--why aren't they out there? This organization has NOT changed in 10 years --the only thing we have accomplished is cap space--and they did that in 1994 while they were good. I saw Hasheem thabeet play pretty darn well tonight-and every time he has had a chance he has produced--heck we could use him!!!!!! Thabeet is NO bust--not even close--they actually looked menacing when they played Gasol and HT together and they beat a very good team @ home. Either we just don't run the ship like every other team in the league or Mike D must think our young players just sck. Whatever it is--it certainly is not positive.
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11/28/2009  1:42 AM
crzymdups wrote:
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--->But lets be honest briggs, do you think it is fair to do that after every game in which some other teams player has one breakout game? is that really a fair analysis? I know you are better than that.. if you are like the rest of us and frustrated.. cool.. but I know you are better than that man....


What are you talking about--it's every game! I post because it's not an acceptable product and yes it seems like every team has a player go off for some kind of good game--I mean what else can I say--anything else is false. They have to do something reasonable and I think it starts with removing Duhon.

agreed that duhon is the problem. i think he's more the problem than the kids. how good would wilson and gallo look with brandon jennings drawing attention and making passes to them. teams know duhon won't shoot.

briggs, i think your posts are valuable and we're all just frustrated right now.


that said, dejuan blair has tailed off a bit, hasn't he?

Blair has played very well--I mean he's giving you nice production from pick 29 on a high caliber team. He's earned PT and a rotation spot+ has been a positive producer on a very good team.

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11/28/2009  1:45 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I saw Hasheem thabeet play pretty darn well tonight-and every time he has had a chance he has produced--heck we could use him!!!!!! Thabeet is NO bust--not even close--they actually looked menacing when they played Gasol and HT together and they beat a very good team @ home. Either we just don't run the ship like every other team in the league or Mike D must think our young players just sck. Whatever it is--it certainly is not positive.

the numbers say otherwise... if u regard these types of #'s as producing then why aren't u saying the same things about Jordan Hill & Toney Douglas this season, both of whom have put up better #'s than ur boy has this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=4016

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11/28/2009  1:48 AM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I saw Hasheem thabeet play pretty darn well tonight-and every time he has had a chance he has produced--heck we could use him!!!!!! Thabeet is NO bust--not even close--they actually looked menacing when they played Gasol and HT together and they beat a very good team @ home. Either we just don't run the ship like every other team in the league or Mike D must think our young players just sck. Whatever it is--it certainly is not positive.

the numbers say otherwise... if u regard these types of #'s as producing then why aren't u saying the same things about Jordan Hill & Toney Douglas this season, both of whom have put up better #'s than ur boy has this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=4016


If you watched Hasheem play tonight you would not say that--numbers mean crp with the Knicks because they play their guys in garbage time[or not at all]. I really haven't seen Hill play in a game where it was meaningful and he helped impact a victory. And Mike D doesnt seem to think he will have much impact.
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11/28/2009  12:46 PM
1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else
2 - Anybody who's still clinging to the Gallo is great theory... you must believe in Santa Claus too.

Greene was a bust at Syracuse, a chucker that would make any of the Knicks look shy. Took serious cajones for Sactown to take him, even at that point in the draft. Now... gotta say he's a more complete version of Gallo.

Evans is going to be great for them, but we would have taken him in that spot too. Casspi was a serious find and Brockman is a nice player where they got him.

You've got to give them credit for what they've started building over the same time period that Donnie has been with the Knicks.

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11/28/2009  12:48 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else


he posts more sensational and fantastic threads than me. and that's not a good thing. gallo and chandler and hill for monta? please.

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11/28/2009  1:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  1:14 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else


he posts more sensational and fantastic threads than me. and that's not a good thing. gallo and chandler and hill for monta? please.

there is nothing quality about 85% of the briggs started threads... they are redundant, doomsday,childish threads... also very predictabale...

can he do better? yes, but the fact that he doesn't and he chooses to take his anger of knicks management out on the players and then punish this forum with his PMS type post is ridiculous, and why it is accepted is mindboggling..... It screams the need for attention.. we are grown men on this forum, it is cool to dissagree and vent, I guess that what this is for.. but honestly to call these annoying post by someone who is capable of so much better, quality.(and we all know that briggs is capable of better) is laughable at best....

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11/28/2009  1:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/28/2009  1:04 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else
2 - Anybody who's still clinging to the Gallo is great theory... you must believe in Santa Claus too.

Greene was a bust at Syracuse, a chucker that would make any of the Knicks look shy. Took serious cajones for Sactown to take him, even at that point in the draft. Now... gotta say he's a more complete version of Gallo.

Evans is going to be great for them, but we would have taken him in that spot too. Casspi was a serious find and Brockman is a nice player where they got him.

You've got to give them credit for what they've started building over the same time period that Donnie has been with the Knicks.

first of all, i don't remember saying anything about the quality of his posts... i'm questioning him on the logic behind calling Thabeet a non-bust after what he's done so far this season but not saying the same about our rooks when they've put up comparable numbers... but if u've been posting w/him as long as i have u'd have seen him go through his "We must get this player" & "this prospect is gonna be a top 5 talent in the NBA" for guys who haven't yet proven they deserve such accolades... BRIGGS was ready to dump our entire roster for Shareef Abdur Rahim at one point & Mike Sweetney was gonna be a beast in the low post for us when we got him... he does his research on prospects & i give him props when he gets it right, this is not about bashing his knowledge on NBA talent... i just question his consistency of viewpoints when it comes to our players & dunno what the point is in bumping up threads of yourself discussing prospects who we never had any chance to draft in the first place... mine as well bemoan the fact we didn't draft Michael Jordan while we're at it.

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TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else
2 - Anybody who's still clinging to the Gallo is great theory... you must believe in Santa Claus too.

Greene was a bust at Syracuse, a chucker that would make any of the Knicks look shy. Took serious cajones for Sactown to take him, even at that point in the draft. Now... gotta say he's a more complete version of Gallo.

Evans is going to be great for them, but we would have taken him in that spot too. Casspi was a serious find and Brockman is a nice player where they got him.

You've got to give them credit for what they've started building over the same time period that Donnie has been with the Knicks.

first of all, i don't remember saying anything about the quality of his posts... i'm questioning him on the logic behind calling Thabeet a non-bust after what he's done so far this season but not saying the same about our rooks when they've put up comparable numbers... but if u've been posting w/him as long as i have u'd have seen him go through his "We must get this player" & "this prospect is gonna be a top 5 talent in the NBA" for guys who haven't yet proven they deserve such accolades... BRIGGS was ready to dump our entire roster for Shareef Abdur Rahim at one point & Mike Sweetney was gonna be a beast in the low post for us when we got him... he does his research on prospects & i give him props when he gets it right, this is not about bashing his knowledge on NBA talent... i just question his consistency of viewpoints when it comes to our players & dunno what the point is in bumping up threads of yourself discussing prospects who we never had any chance to draft in the first place... mine as well bemoan the fact we didn't draft Michael Jordan while we're at it.

briggs has made some decent calls on NBA prospects, this is how I know he knows better.. It is his PMS tirades that are ridiculous.. the emotional post that are so unreasonable, onesided and full of double standards... There is no way to really trust what he says.. A player has a good game, he craps on knicks players while hyping the other player.. If Briggs is unhappy, everyone is going to be unhappy... I have yet to hear how great anthony randolph has been this year... now he is on the monte ellis kick, yet ignores the guy had 11 turnovers the other night.. let gallo score 30 points with 11 turnovers, see what he says then, let douglas have a game of 30 points and 11 turnovers and we won't hear the end of it... Never did I hear him call thabeet a bust this year, although he was burried on a bench of a team with no depth.. Hill doesn't play and it is only because he stinks.. LOL @ briggs..

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tkf wrote:
TMS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:1 - Briggs posts more quality threads than anybody else
2 - Anybody who's still clinging to the Gallo is great theory... you must believe in Santa Claus too.

Greene was a bust at Syracuse, a chucker that would make any of the Knicks look shy. Took serious cajones for Sactown to take him, even at that point in the draft. Now... gotta say he's a more complete version of Gallo.

Evans is going to be great for them, but we would have taken him in that spot too. Casspi was a serious find and Brockman is a nice player where they got him.

You've got to give them credit for what they've started building over the same time period that Donnie has been with the Knicks.

first of all, i don't remember saying anything about the quality of his posts... i'm questioning him on the logic behind calling Thabeet a non-bust after what he's done so far this season but not saying the same about our rooks when they've put up comparable numbers... but if u've been posting w/him as long as i have u'd have seen him go through his "We must get this player" & "this prospect is gonna be a top 5 talent in the NBA" for guys who haven't yet proven they deserve such accolades... BRIGGS was ready to dump our entire roster for Shareef Abdur Rahim at one point & Mike Sweetney was gonna be a beast in the low post for us when we got him... he does his research on prospects & i give him props when he gets it right, this is not about bashing his knowledge on NBA talent... i just question his consistency of viewpoints when it comes to our players & dunno what the point is in bumping up threads of yourself discussing prospects who we never had any chance to draft in the first place... mine as well bemoan the fact we didn't draft Michael Jordan while we're at it.

briggs has made some decent calls on NBA prospects, this is how I know he knows better.. It is his PMS tirades that are ridiculous.. the emotional post that are so unreasonable, onesided and full of double standards... There is no way to really trust what he says.. A player has a good game, he craps on knicks players while hyping the other player.. If Briggs is unhappy, everyone is going to be unhappy... I have yet to hear how great anthony randolph has been this year... now he is on the monte ellis kick, yet ignores the guy had 11 turnovers the other night.. let gallo score 30 points with 11 turnovers, see what he says then, let douglas have a game of 30 points and 11 turnovers and we won't hear the end of it... Never did I hear him call thabeet a bust this year, although he was burried on a bench of a team with no depth.. Hill doesn't play and it is only because he stinks.. LOL @ briggs..

tfk--Gallo is a good prospect who plays somewhat soft He's got a very nice jumpshot. I'm looking for GREAT players who are tough at all times.

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