His tenure at Indiana was nothing special. He's getting us in a great position for 2010 and I love him for it. But avoiding Jennings this year makes me nervous. I'm still 100% sure we'll land a big name next year. But that big name won't be enough to get us some rings. Donnie will still need to ace the low profile moves - like drafting BJennings - for us to win.

So far, he's shown us great patience. I like that and it can't go unappreciated, especially after the Isiah era. But when 2010 hits my eyes will be on the little moves he makes to improve this team. So far it looks like he's definitely 0 for 1 with Hill over Douglas. The verdict on TD and Gallo is still out.

We are just fans and get frustrated. Can you just imagine how Mike D and Walsh feel right now after seeing what this kid has done?

On a positive note, Hill did look good the other night and Douglas has been playing GREAT.

djsunyc wrote:

oohah wrote:

djsunyc wrote:looks like skiles might be a better pg coach.

I fixed it for you DJ.

oohah

his team:

jennings
bell
bogut
mbah a moute
warrick
ridnour
meeks
illyasova

is 5-2 and 4-0 at home.

I am sorry, but with those teammates and that record - if it holds up for the season, jennings is MVP, and skiles is coach of the year. we have way more talent (supposedly) and can not win a game (well, only one).

oohah wrote:

EnySpree wrote:
Word this is very impressive...

I'm not gonna say I was pushing for the kid, though I did love his game. I didn't think he'd blossom right away...Minnesota messed the Knicks up. I don't think Jennings was ahead of Curry and Flynn on the knicks draft board.....probably an after thought.

I tell you what though....I'm proud of the kid and how he's carried himself. The dude sounds mature beyond his years.

That's the worst part. The guards they wanted were off the board and the best out of all of them was staring them right in the face and they picked yet another power forward who has less skill than Renaldo Balkman! Meanwhile we have to listen to how playersin D'Antoni's system need this skill and that skill, bleh.

Double meanwhile at power forward we already had Lee, Harrington, Gallinari, Jeffries, Darko.

It just makes no sense at all.

oohah

Jordan Hill is less skilled than Renaldo Balkman? Look, I was upset when Hill's name was announced as the 8th pick too, but to say that Balkman is more skilled is going a bit too far...

blkexec wrote:

Jennings didn't even show up to the draft when he was picked (probably playing playstation with Joe Buddens)....He had bad signs about him from the jump. Remember, he only averaged a few pts overseas. So it appeared he wasn't the team player type, but rather the And 1 me first type. Thats a bad combination of Marbury and Crawford. If you just got rid of these two bums, and there was a player on the draft board with very similar qualities, I bet 90% of yall would pass on him too....But nobody would admit it now!...Not after dropping 55.

because his agent Bill Duffy couldn't get a guarantee on him being drafted, he advised him not to go. he stayed in his hotel room nearby.

or it could've meant he didn't go over there with the mindset of putting up a bunch of gaudy stats but instead tried to blend in and do what was asked of him by coaches.

thats why a simple phone call to Italy to get first hand knowledge of his persona like Skiles did may have made a world of difference.

McK1 wrote:"when i watch other teams play I'm watching their guards and studying them so I know how to guard them. Coach Skiles is big on defense."

freaking right - at least he says the right things!

oohah wrote:

Uptown wrote:

oohah wrote:

EnySpree wrote:
Word this is very impressive...

I'm not gonna say I was pushing for the kid, though I did love his game. I didn't think he'd blossom right away...Minnesota messed the Knicks up. I don't think Jennings was ahead of Curry and Flynn on the knicks draft board.....probably an after thought.

I tell you what though....I'm proud of the kid and how he's carried himself. The dude sounds mature beyond his years.

That's the worst part. The guards they wanted were off the board and the best out of all of them was staring them right in the face and they picked yet another power forward who has less skill than Renaldo Balkman! Meanwhile we have to listen to how playersin D'Antoni's system need this skill and that skill, bleh.

Double meanwhile at power forward we already had Lee, Harrington, Gallinari, Jeffries, Darko.

It just makes no sense at all.

oohah

Jordan Hill is less skilled than Renaldo Balkman? Look, I was upset when Hill's name was announced as the 8th pick too, but to say that Balkman is more skilled is going a bit too far...

Okay, please fill me in on the skills that Hill has that Balkman didn't/doesn't.

I'll start: Hill is probably a better shooter.

Balkman definitely is a better dribbler.

Tell me about the rest. Remember that Balkman had games in his rookie year where he had 15+ rebounds.

At best they have similar skill level.

oohah

Thats my point....the total minutes Hill has played this year isn't even equal to a complete game yet. Can we at least wait till Jordan Hill gets real game minutes before we start labeling. BTW, from I've seen of him in college, he is better in the post...but likt I said, lets get a better sample of Hill on the nBa level...

Uptown wrote:
Thats my point....the total minutes Hill has played this year isn't even equal to a complete game yet. Can we at least wait till Jordan Hill gets real game minutes before we start labeling. BTW, from I've seen of him in college, he is better in the post...but likt I said, lets get a better sample of Hill on the nBa level...

Looking at their comparitive college careers you can see that they are similar in terms of skill. I would give the edge to Balkman. And that is my point. Not that Balkman is a much better player - or much worse.

In regard to the "sample", let's see. I guess Hill has to earn that time, and if he doesn't what does that say then?

oohah

thejerk wrote:Walsh wasnt the only GM to pass on Jennings, they were 6 other GMS that passed on him as well. TD and Hill both look like they can ball so I am content so far.

Why do we care about other teams? What does that have to do with Walsh not filling the position of greatest need, regardless of whether he passed on a superstar? I guess we could say "Well, other teams did not make the playoffs". It doesn't make the Knicks situation any better.

TD and Hill may be good players but do not look like difference makers so far. The Knicks need difference makers.

oohah

oohah wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Thats my point....the total minutes Hill has played this year isn't even equal to a complete game yet. Can we at least wait till Jordan Hill gets real game minutes before we start labeling. BTW, from I've seen of him in college, he is better in the post...but likt I said, lets get a better sample of Hill on the nBa level...

Looking at their comparitive college careers you can see that they are similar in terms of skill. I would give the edge to Balkman. And that is my point. Not that Balkman is a much better player - or much worse.

In regard to the "sample", let's see. I guess Hill has to earn that time, and if he doesn't what does that say then?

oohah

I think everyone can see that Hill has already earned the time even if by default because the guys in front of him just aren't preforming. Their is something else going on that is preventing him from getting consistant minutes. MDA hinted at it already in terms of not wanting to lose his Vets, or to showcasing guys for the rest of the league etc....Its all a bunch of garbage anyway. It was a lost season even before the first tip. Hill not getting the minutes has nothing to do with his skill level but everything to do with the Walsh/MDA agenda for the season.