NYKBocker wrote:Toney Douglas is 6'2"
Deron Williams is 6'3"
CP3 is 6'
Rondo is 6'1"
Jameer Nelson is 6'...maybe
Brandon Jennings is 6'1"
Lou Williams is 6'2"
Gilbert Arenas is 6'4"..is he a PG?
Devin Harris is 6'3"
Derrick Rose is 6'3"

Who exactly is 6'5" or taller? TD has the size for a PG. He has the speed. He has an outside shot. He is athletic. He has the work ethic.

Word. You'd think we were talking about a guy that was 5'11"!

JW, If its all about height, how come we don't see any 6'10" PGs in the league?
Seriously, your argument is weak.

cooch2584 wrote:seems to me JW is disagreeing just to disagree, as he has done in the past on this board. Ihave been thru this before with him. Im done. When 5 or 6 people tell you your wrong, YOUR WRONG. I will talk to knowledgable, openminded people that will listen and absorb facts.

What's the counter argument Cooch? Bring out the height and wingspan of Douglas and all the top PG's in the league.

Is he bigger/longer? Can he finish at the rim?

These are important questions for someone you want to tell me is the cornerstone PG for this team that happens to run a system that puts a priority on winning PG battles.

The guy had 21 points and 1 assist last night in a losing effort. If Nate did the same thing people would be saying he's a ball hog. This guy could just be the flavor of the week for a team that's had a habit of latching on to one game samples. Deron had only 5 points, but he had 16 assists. Who had the better game?

We had a similar argument about Donnie's drafting of Gallo. Am I wrong about my side of that argument because he had one 30 point game?

He's not a next-level point guard that's going to get this team over the hump. Sorry to break it to you. He's a nice piece. Am I a terrible Knicks fan because I think he's limited to that? Damn.

cooch2584 wrote:Again how do we snag them?? And all of a sudden it went from height to wingspan. LMAO

Is he as big as the majority of the top PG's in the league? Is he? Wingspan would give you a better look at the total picture, so would vertical jump...

I don't really have to go to those numbers because he's still smaller than the best PG's out there.

cooch2584 wrote:JW not only does your post not make sense, but it is illogical

What's not logical? We have to get by Harris/Rose/Rondo, and we'll have to get by them for the next decade.

Your opinion is that you're fine with Douglas in those match-ups.

My opinion is that will not work out well for us.

Here's the lowest rated of the 6 examples of PG's that will likely be in the draft who can match-up in terms of size with the best PG's.

Derrick Jasper - PG - 6'6" - UNLV
NBA Comparison: Doc Rivers
Aran Smith - 9/29/2006

Strengths: A true floor general at 6-5 with the ability to make those around him better His tremendous vision and passing ability are his best assets A natural at setting the table and finding teammates for easy baskets Very cerebral point guard who works hard to improve his game A team player, values winning over individual accolades Head strong player with great leadership ability Solid defender who plays sound fundamental defense instead of gambling for steals ... An underrated athlete, can get up for impressive dunks and his foot speed is deceptive Works well in the half court set with the ability to create baskets for everyone with the offense running through him ... His size gives him a big advantage as he can see over smaller point guards as well as disrupt them defensively Size allows him to rebound well for his position as well as defend both guard positions

Weaknesses: His outside shooting touch dipped some in his senior season as he apparently focused his attention on his point guard skills, which developed immensely He can be unselfish to a fault and not look for shots even when the defense sags off of him Needs to improve upon his range and perimeter shooting Not going to blow you away with speed and athleticism, but has the size, intangibles and desire to make up for it

Notes: Led EBO to the first ever (televised) battle of the camps (adidas vs. Nike) winning MVP of the 2005 adidas Super 64 Tournament in Las Vegas.

I want the Knicks to have a couple of those freakish players that other teams seem to have and the Knicks never do. We're always the ones trying to figure out a way to deal with that player.