fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Rod Thorn owned the 08 draft. CDR is having an amazing year as well. Lopez, Anderson, and CDR in one draft is pretty special. I think Walsh could have done a bit better.

awesome at what? Wow... the Nets have a great young core of CDR, Lopez, Yi, the kid from Orl... they are putrid. They havent been close in any games. They are probably the worst team in the league right now.

Nets core post 08 draft:

devin harris at 9mil per along with cdr, williams, lee, lopez, yi, boone, and sean "a lawrence frank firing away from contributing" williams on rookie contracts plus 30 mil in cap space and two firsts in next years draft...and with the billionare russian taking over u gotta think they are very very happy with where they are at as a franchise.

Thats great.

Please explain to me something.

Please explain why those players (the Nets) can get blown out by 20 points every game. Please explain why those players can post stats that have ZERO impact on winning games, yet you regard them as a wonderful group of upcoming players.

Then explain to me why when Nate, or Gallo or Lee or Chandler put up good numbers they are meaningless garbage. Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill are just as young as Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, Lopez, Yi, Williams and CDR. Go look it up.

So do tell... Nets stink and get blown out by 20 every game. They scored 59 points against the Bobcats. They are the worst team in the sport but you would be soooo thrilled to have their roster and young core of players and rich Russion owner.

Knick's core is just as young, but we are soooooo far behind them.

You guys are really blind at this point. I'm as jaded as anyone here. I am a Giants/Yankees fan and watching those teams only serves to constantly remind me of how totally inept the Knicks are run. But you guys measure all things Knicks to a totally different standard than the rest of the league.

I'm not looking for MS, MK1 or Briggs to give me BS positives to make me feel better, but you all know the sport and have totally lost all objectivity when it comes to this team.

WORD

Every yr were told how great Thorn is. How he is so much better then every other gm. Yet the Nets haven't done anything of quality since 2003. Marcus Williams and Josh Boone were supposed to be steals. Thorn drafted Boone over Paul Milsap who fell to the 2nd rd. Thorn drafted Antoine Wright and Ilic Milic over Danny Granger, Nate, Garcia, Klieza, Lee, Jack, Warrick, Bass, Ellis, Louis Williams, Andray Blatche, Ryan Gomes, Marcin Gortat. Sean Williams was supposed to be a steal. Thorn passed on Belinelli, Chandler, Fernandez, Brooks, Carl Laundry, Marc Gasol. Brock Lopez is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Tim Duncan. Yet he hasn't proven he is more then a good producer on a bad team who has any type of impact on the win loss column.

Its real easy to be a hater

On one side you guys say that Ryan Anderson is the real deal and as good as Gallo. Yet on the other side Rod Thorn traded away Vince Carter and a player as good as Gallo for basically Courtney Lee. Who was drafted the pick AFTER the Nets picked Ryan Anderson. So they basically traded Vince Carter to trade DOWN one pick in the previous draft. And if Ryan Anderson is as good as Gallo then why would Thorn who is a master talent evaluator and who was very interested in Gallinari himself. Trade a player like Ryan Anderson along with Vince Carter for Courtney Lee and Skip. Why couldn't Thorn get more.

That said I like CDR and hope the Knicks are able to steal him from the Nets down the road. He would kill it in this system.

CrushAlot wrote:The Nets traded Carter for cap reasons and becaue they were committed to rebuilding not because Courtney Lee is so talented. I know alot of Net fans who were very disappointed that Anderson was a part of the trade. The Nets did commit to rebuilding and they do have picks in this draft. They start three second year players and give significant minutes to a first year player. In addition they are going to have alot of cap space for 2010.

Everyone knows they traded Carter for cap space. Thats not the point. Nets drafted Ryan Anderson ahead of Lee. They then traded Vince Carter and the player they took ahead of Lee for Lee the next offseason, Alston, and Battie. Orlando also were reluctant to want to give up Lee which is why Thorn had to add in Ryan Anderson. And the Nets did feel that Lee was that good. If not why couldn't they just trade Carter for cap space by himself? Randolph and Jefferson were both traded for just cap space alone.

So either Thorn did not believe that Ryan Anderson was that good that he would add Ryan Anderson to the package of Carter in order to dump Carter and land Lee. Or he made a poor trade by believing Lee was worth both Carter and Anderson that he should be criticized for. As Walsh did for trading Zack Randolph and not receiving any prospects back.

McK1 wrote:
gallo hill douglas and chandler are the only part of that core who is under contract after next season. knicks have no pick next year. if lebron doesnt come to the knicks, ny may lose 60-70 games next year.

jerz already has the pieces in place 1-8 in the rotation to grow from within and assets like 30 mil in cap space and two firsts to supplement the rebuild

...and where are they playing next year?

they're not signing anyone unless they get the brooklyn arena, and that's not happening anytime soon.

BRIGGS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and he is a 5-6 option in Orlando--that tells you where we are as a team/franchise

why is your boo, Randolph, only averaging 8 pts this year and is now currently locked on the bench? Lets start with that.

knee and back injuries +nellie and new guards= small ball deluxe

According to nellie (thursday nellie radio show @ knbr), randolph had match up issue in last nights game with grizzlies where he logged in 7 minutes and got into foul trouble (3 fouls). Nellie even mentioned he liked how he played last night. Fans around the bay area are frustrated on his playing time and how nellie uses the young guy who is not injured at all. Their local tv announcer is saying he is doing the typical young guy mistakes and that is why he is not playing much (hmm wonder is it IQ thing we got with the knicks). Just trying to add more info to the fact about briggs boy randolph...

crzymdups wrote:

McK1 wrote:
gallo hill douglas and chandler are the only part of that core who is under contract after next season. knicks have no pick next year. if lebron doesnt come to the knicks, ny may lose 60-70 games next year.

jerz already has the pieces in place 1-8 in the rotation to grow from within and assets like 30 mil in cap space and two firsts to supplement the rebuild

...and where are they playing next year?

they're not signing anyone unless they get the brooklyn arena, and that's not happening anytime soon.

fact or your opinion? they managed to re-sign Kidd and Vince Carter after both of their stars had risen.

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

McK1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Rod Thorn owned the 08 draft. CDR is having an amazing year as well. Lopez, Anderson, and CDR in one draft is pretty special. I think Walsh could have done a bit better.

awesome at what? Wow... the Nets have a great young core of CDR, Lopez, Yi, the kid from Orl... they are putrid. They havent been close in any games. They are probably the worst team in the league right now.

Nets core post 08 draft:

devin harris at 9mil per along with cdr, williams, lee, lopez, yi, boone, and sean "a lawrence frank firing away from contributing" williams on rookie contracts plus 30 mil in cap space and two firsts in next years draft...and with the billionare russian taking over u gotta think they are very very happy with where they are at as a franchise.

Thats great.

Please explain to me something.

Please explain why those players (the Nets) can get blown out by 20 points every game. Please explain why those players can post stats that have ZERO impact on winning games, yet you regard them as a wonderful group of upcoming players.

Then explain to me why when Nate, or Gallo or Lee or Chandler put up good numbers they are meaningless garbage. Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, Douglas and Hill are just as young as Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, Lopez, Yi, Williams and CDR. Go look it up.

So do tell... Nets stink and get blown out by 20 every game. They scored 59 points against the Bobcats. They are the worst team in the sport but you would be soooo thrilled to have their roster and young core of players and rich Russion owner.

Knick's core is just as young, but we are soooooo far behind them.

You guys are really blind at this point. I'm as jaded as anyone here. I am a Giants/Yankees fan and watching those teams only serves to constantly remind me of how totally inept the Knicks are run. But you guys measure all things Knicks to a totally different standard than the rest of the league.

I'm not looking for MS, MK1 or Briggs to give me BS positives to make me feel better, but you all know the sport and have totally lost all objectivity when it comes to this team.

WORD

Every yr were told how great Thorn is. How he is so much better then every other gm. Yet the Nets haven't done anything of quality since 2003. Marcus Williams and Josh Boone were supposed to be steals. Thorn drafted Boone over Paul Milsap who fell to the 2nd rd. Thorn drafted Antoine Wright and Ilic Milic over Danny Granger, Nate, Garcia, Klieza, Lee, Jack, Warrick, Bass, Ellis, Louis Williams, Andray Blatche, Ryan Gomes, Marcin Gortat. Sean Williams was supposed to be a steal. Thorn passed on Belinelli, Chandler, Fernandez, Brooks, Carl Laundry, Marc Gasol. Brock Lopez is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Tim Duncan. Yet he hasn't proven he is more then a good producer on a bad team who has any type of impact on the win loss column.

Its real easy to be a hater

On one side you guys say that Ryan Anderson is the real deal and as good as Gallo. Yet on the other side Rod Thorn traded away Vince Carter and a player as good as Gallo for basically Courtney Lee. Who was drafted the pick AFTER the Nets picked Ryan Anderson. So they basically traded Vince Carter to trade DOWN one pick in the previous draft. And if Ryan Anderson is as good as Gallo then why would Thorn who is a master talent evaluator and who was very interested in Gallinari himself. Trade a player like Ryan Anderson along with Vince Carter for Courtney Lee and Skip. Why couldn't Thorn get more.

That said I like CDR and hope the Knicks are able to steal him from the Nets down the road. He would kill it in this system.

In rebuttal, I will say that the Nets have a more balanced roster than us. In Lopez, they have a legitimate center who can score and defend. He might not ever be the best center in the league, but he won't be the worst center either. They also have an all-star caliber PG in Devin Harris. So the Nets have adequately filled the two hardest positions to fill on an NBA team with two solid two-way players. In CDR and Lee they have some solid SG prospects and between Yi, Williams, and Boone, you have figure one of them will turn into a decent NBA pf. You add Lebron to that team, and it instantly becomes a playoff team.

Now compare the Knicks. We have Darko, who is a decent center but he really has no upside. We have no Pg to speak of. We have no young developing SG. We do have a PF, who plays absolutely no defense. In fact, the only position we actually have solid prospects is at SF, which is the same position Lebron plays. So while the Nets do s**k just as bad as us, their roster is more balanced and better suit to add a Lebron and immediately contend.