McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

He should man up? You don't even man up when you swing and miss.

Raw as in only 5 years of organized bball. Let me give you another example of a player who took time. Steve Nash. Dude was caca for like 5 years. Traded. Injured. And then boom, All-star and MVP.

Dirk was raw and crap his first year. Did his GM man up or was he thoughtful enough to let things play out?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/career;_ylt=AhAc7F.Fj32VdLPSyfprP84ZPKB4

nash's career stat chart says otherwise

Nash's first 4 years in the NBA were not anything to get excited about... dude started out as a 3 & 2 player over 10 mpg in a minimal role his rookie season... if the Knicks drafted him & he'd done that his rookie season he'd be labelled a bust by a lot of you guys labelling Gallo last year & Hill now, i guarantee it.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

martin wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:When the three guys picked after your slot are all starting and Hill is pegged to the bench, and we're worse than those teams (yes we're worse than the Nets) then you missed. That's all there is to it.

lol, worst argument ever.

Be serious here. You're telling me that Derozan, Jennings or Williams wouldn't be helping us more over the next couple of years than Hill will? All three are starting and impacting games. All three have shown good potential so far in the SL/Preseson/Regular season. All three would have fit areas of need for the Knicks.

All of those things may be true of Derozan, Jennings or Williams, but you can't judge Hill and the pick based on what other players are doing on other teams.

Lets take Milwaukee as an example. They got Rinour and Ukic as PGs; both of those guys SUCK, so it's reasonable/understandable that Jennings is gonna get minutes, earned or otherwise. Dude has 2 former all-stars (Bogut, Redd) on his team to help cushion the blow of being on the floor as a rookie.

Hill is behind Lee, Harrington, Darko, JJ, Gallo.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

He should man up? You don't even man up when you swing and miss.

Raw as in only 5 years of organized bball. Let me give you another example of a player who took time. Steve Nash. Dude was caca for like 5 years. Traded. Injured. And then boom, All-star and MVP.

Dirk was raw and crap his first year. Did his GM man up or was he thoughtful enough to let things play out?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3103/career;_ylt=AhAc7F.Fj32VdLPSyfprP84ZPKB4

nash's career stat chart says otherwise

Nash's first 4 years in the NBA were not anything to get excited about... dude started out as a 3 & 2 player over 10 mpg in a minimal role his rookie season... if the Knicks drafted him & he'd done that his rookie season he'd be labelled a bust by a lot of you guys labelling Gallo last year & Hill now, i guarantee it.

That is crazy talk. Look at who he had in front of him and he was not a lottery pick.

Are these legendary players in front of Hill? They're just rentals that would be subs on any other team.

McK1 wrote:

TMS wrote:

dude started out as a 3 & 2 player over 10 mpg in a minimal role his rookie season...

and kept progressing...he had one set back season in yr 3. the next yr he came back and did 9 & 5 while shooting 47% fr the field 41% from 3 and 88% fr the line in 28 mpg. that would be a career yr for every knick point guard this board respects post derek harper.

nash was just starting his ascension

& why can't u say the same about Jordan Hill? the guy's only been playing organized basketball for 5 years for God's sakes & is only 22 years old... how do u know this kid isn't just starting his ascension too & won't keep progressing? kid hasn't even played a full NBA season yet for God's sakes... like i said, if this were Steve Nash in his rookie season & he put up 3 & 2 over 10 mpg i have a feeling you guys would be dismissing him as a bust already too.

TMS wrote:

McK1 wrote:

TMS wrote:

dude started out as a 3 & 2 player over 10 mpg in a minimal role his rookie season...

and kept progressing...he had one set back season in yr 3. the next yr he came back and did 9 & 5 while shooting 47% fr the field 41% from 3 and 88% fr the line in 28 mpg. that would be a career yr for every knick point guard this board respects post derek harper.

nash was just starting his ascension

& why can't u say the same about Jordan Hill? the guy's only been playing organized basketball for 5 years for God's sakes & is only 22 years old... how do u know this kid isn't just starting his ascension too & won't keep progressing? kid hasn't even played a full NBA season yet for God's sakes... like i said, if this were Steve Nash in his rookie season & he put up 3 & 2 over 10 mpg i have a feeling you guys would be dismissing him as a bust already too.

hill was so-so in college. nash starred at santa clara. there is no comparison when projecting the two's career path. at 6' 10 235 he couldn't dominate a conference where the average starting 5 is 6'7 220. hill has a low skill level, poor instinct, terrible awareness offensively and defensively and I doubt he'll ever develop the feel for the game needed to be a franchise 4.

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:for hill they would be amazing right now, man. for hill to drop 13 i think he would need 73 shots.

73 shots??? dude, he scored 6 quick points on 3 for 5 shooting in under 5 minutes the other night against a good Cavs team & this wasn't in garbage time... the kid already has a developed perimeter J... he's not gonna hit the 3's like Channing can but he runs the floor way better & can get easy baskets in transition, especially playing in an uptempo style offense like the 1 MDA likes to run here... give Jordan Hill more time to get used to playing with the other starters & i know he could do better than Channing Frye... he'd score effectively, get more rebounds, block more shots & play better interior one on one defense than Frye if ask me... it's just his help defense that he'll struggle with for a while until he gains more experience.

alright, i missed that 3-5 night. still, come one, it's hill. jordan hill?? he is some time away, you can just feel it bro.

i don't wanna hear this stuff that he wouldn't be a much more productive player than Frye, Fishlips or Darko right now if we gave this kid regular playing time & he's not even at all comfortable w/MDA's system yet

TMS wrote:Jordan Hill final statline in 12:49 - 7 pts., 6 rebounds, 3 steals, 1 blocked shot, 3 of 3 from the foul line

i don't wanna hear this stuff that he wouldn't be a much more productive player than Frye, Fishlips or Darko right now if we gave this kid regular playing time & he's not even at all comfortable w/MDA's system yet

Personally, I don't care at all if Hill is more or less productive than any of those dudes you mentioned... this team blows and for the majority of last year's NCAA season, Hill was a top four pick in the mock drafts. Now, I'm not saying those sites are always correct, but when names are consistently in the top-20 throughout the year and for multiple seasons then the guy can usually ball (Chase Budinger immediately comes to mind).