Posted by jimimou:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by nixluva:

Wait so when Blob says building a winner is a process that makes him an attention seeker? What was it in his posts that suggested anything other than a sense of reason when looking at MDA and the current Roster? We all knew this was going to be a two yr waiting process until we could clear cap space, so what has changed?

1st of all it does make sense to get the best coach for your Franchise when he's available. Why putz around with some other guy if the guy you want is free? We also know that only a few of these current players will be here next yr so why not run your system and see who can excel in it? Those who do will stay, also young players need time to learn the game on a higher level. MDA is trying teach these players to really think the game in a new way and be able to recognize all the options on the floor. It may look sloppy now, but one day some will get it and will be better players.

Did anyone read my orginal post? I never said contender or that I was expecting 50 win plus seasons but again questioning the logic of hiring a big name coach with no name players. Is it not logical to expect that when a team pays a coach to the tune of 10 million dollars a year that they are expecting immediate results?

If Mike says I want to help you rebuild this thing, do you say "no, we are rebbuilding and I want a bad coach to be around for that". Or do you just hire Mike?

Mike didn't approach the Knick's management out of the goodness of his heart he did so because of the big bucks they are paying him. I can't say that I blame him for taking the money 10 million dollars a year would make me do a lot worse things then coach a team of subpar talent.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 10-15-2009 12:12 PM]

i dont have $10Million, but maybe we can work something out where you can do 'a hell of alot worse' to me for a few hours? sorry bitty, love ya but just cldnt resist!

Yea I set myself up for that one lol.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

In my view Donnie and D'Antoni were not brought here to win in 2009 or 2010. They were brought here to rebuild the credibility of an embarrassing organization. An organization that was a running joke every week on every channel in america. You don't turn that situation around overnight no matter how you guys think you can. There job was also to create a team that can be a long-term winner and not just one that won 38 games instead of 35. They are taking steps in that direction by using draft picks and clearing cap space so we can go after free-agents fully loaded with money. Instead of getting also rans with the mid-level exception. Now the question is, will they succeed???? Jury is out. So far the rookies have not panned out and may be busts. If that comes to fruition then they both deserve to pay the consequences. But you cannot hold a GM accountable for two drafts when two players have not played in an NBA game yet and the other spent an entire year injured. It's borderline rigodamdiculous

The idea was to TRY and remain competitive while totally rebuilding the team. Now we had and still have a lot of Cap waste on the roster, so we couldn't completely start over from scratch. We were forced to remain in a holding pattern until we could get rid of all of those guys. Curry hasn't helped us one bit. If he had been healthy last year maybe MDA could've showcased him like he did Zach and Jamal and we'd be in even better shape right now. That didn't happen, so we have to wait.

In addition to that the goal is to develop the draft picks into the kind of winning players you want. That is also a process. It may look bad now, but MDA is making these guys run and work hard in practice NOW so that they'll be strong later when it counts. Don't worry about bad shooting and sloppy play right now, which may be the result of fatigue more than actual lack of talent. These kids have NBA talent and we've seen them play well before. It's just a phase. now that said it doesn't mean the team will be a powerhouse, we still need to improve the team, but the kids should get better and that's why you want MDA here for these 1st 2 years leading up to 2010 and 2011.

Posted by nixluva:

Bip I agree that the more important issue is to clear cap space. I do believe that it would help our FA acquisition to have a Big Name Coach in place and some young players that are playing well enough to give a FA the feeling that there's the beginnings of a team here. That's the reason for MDA to be here for last yr and this yr. The idea for this season is to show some progress in developing the guys that will still be here in 2010. To that end I feel MDA was a good choice and I believe patience showed be the order of the day. Success doesn't necessarily mean we have to make the playoffs, but if were in the hunt to the end and it clear the team is competing better than it did last year, then I believe opinions will swing toward the positive among FA's. We should have the money we need, but it would help to also have the look of a team on the rise.

Posted by bitty41:

I hate the million quote thing so

Where do you get the idea that winning in's part of your mindset? Winning is clearly part of the mindset. But the goal is to get in position to try to win 50 and 60 games. Instead of eking out 3 or 4 more wins out of a roster that has proven it is a failure. It's long-term vs. short-term. It's been said over and over that if the right player comes along and we can acquire them, then there is no waiting for 2010. But I just don't feel management felt Sessions, Boozer, Odom, Ariza, Miller etc were the type of players that were worth erasing 2010. Remember if there is no Lebron in 2010 you can still acquire lesser players, but now you can put together a team with the cap space you have. Instead of mid-leveling yourself into oblivion.

Where do I get the idea that winning isn't apart of the mind-set? Have you not watched a game recently winning just isn't apart of this team's landscape. Maybe this team will shock me this year but with the current squad I just don't see a whole lot of winning taking place.

How is cap space guaranteeing 50 or 60 wins? That's where the disconnect is happening you can have a cap of zero and still sign no one of worth, still lose a ton of games.

Stop equating cap space = guaranteed big-name free-agent signing(s). Philly had a nice cap situation last summer and spent money on Elton Brand who spent most of the season injured. Because for every Steve Nash you have a Tracy McGrady signing in which a guy either does nothing or spends most of his time injured. Drafts have always been the only surefire way of improving a team. You either use high lottery picks as bargaining chips or you have to draft at least an all-star caliber player.

LA
SA
Clev
Orlando

All have built there teams around their draft choices. So it is very disconcerting that Walsh made the choices he did. That's how teams rebuild through the draft, making wise choices, and trying to acquire higher or in some cases more picks.

Posted by coolbeans:

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by bitty41:

I hate the million quote thing so

Where do you get the idea that winning in's part of your mindset? Winning is clearly part of the mindset. But the goal is to get in position to try to win 50 and 60 games. Instead of eking out 3 or 4 more wins out of a roster that has proven it is a failure. It's long-term vs. short-term. It's been said over and over that if the right player comes along and we can acquire them, then there is no waiting for 2010. But I just don't feel management felt Sessions, Boozer, Odom, Ariza, Miller etc were the type of players that were worth erasing 2010. Remember if there is no Lebron in 2010 you can still acquire lesser players, but now you can put together a team with the cap space you have. Instead of mid-leveling yourself into oblivion.

Where do I get the idea that winning isn't apart of the mind-set? Have you not watched a game recently winning just isn't apart of this team's landscape. Maybe this team will shock me this year but with the current squad I just don't see a whole lot of winning taking place.

How is cap space guaranteeing 50 or 60 wins? That's where the disconnect is happening you can have a cap of zero and still sign no one of worth, still lose a ton of games.

Stop equating cap space = guaranteed big-name free-agent signing(s). Philly had a nice cap situation last summer and spent money on Elton Brand who spent most of the season injured. Because for every Steve Nash you have a Tracy McGrady signing in which a guy either does nothing or spends most of his time injured. Drafts have always been the only surefire way of improving a team. You either use high lottery picks as bargaining chips or you have to draft at least an all-star caliber player.

LA
SA
Clev
Orlando

All have built there teams around their draft choices. So it is very disconcerting that Walsh made the choices he did. That's how teams rebuild through the draft, making wise choices, and trying to acquire higher or in some cases more picks.

really, why don't you let it go?

no one is equating cap space with guaranteed superstar coming here. what we're equating with cap space is the start of a sound foundation upon which the knicks will be built for years to come, regardless of 2010 outcome.

why are you even a knicks fan?

how is winning not the mind set? i doubt anyone wants to lose. it comes down to the talent at hand and how well they mesh.

and if you need an essay with a bunch of tangents to explain your point, then it's a non-point.

its a cop-out that gm's and coaches use to fleece dolan team sucks cause of the last guy(s) then current regime does nothing. its not rocket science its just basketball. you dont spend a whole game shooting bricks if a coach cant figure that out, then it makes me think he is either lazy or wants to get fired and cash-in like the other head coaches, who came here did half-assed jobs and left with contractual big paydays.

Posted by CrushAlot:

I don't know if he is lazy but I think he expects players to fit into his system instead of modifying it to maximize their talents. I also think he can't be bothered with coaching defense and that is why he isn't in Phoenix or Chicago. In my opinion Gallo was a D'Antoni pick and with the talent available he may have set the franchise back along way if Gallo doesn't work out.