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10/8/2009  1:27 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Remember: This is the second guy to bring this up in the media. Al Harrington said the same thing a few days ago. Good chance that there is a reason behind this.

is there reason enough to say it to the press? what are they trying to achieve?

i'm not trying to defend nate, i'm just questioning the motivation behind saying some of these things in the media.
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10/8/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by McK1:

D' Antoni is taking the Larry Brown way out. Bye Mike we hardly knew ya!

lol...wouldn't that be funny if that were the case?

maybe 2010 isn't just about lebron, wade and bosh, but d'antoni too? lol...
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10/8/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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Posted by Bippity10:

Because that's the part of the conversation you seem to be missing. I don't think this was an attack on Nate at all. It was a challenge, and this cherry picked quote points towards this. He's saying Nate is as good as anyone in the league and can lead this team to more wins(he did not blame him for losses) if he gets the mental side of the game togehter. This is actually the third coach to say this and not at all a shocker.

"As soon as we get it and he gets it, then we'll win, get in the playoffs and guys will find homes."

This was echoed by Al Harrington earlier this summer. Seems like a theme that the leaders of this team feel needs to get across to the players. That you don't get the accolades or the money until you win. Is this not true?

Im not missing anything. Where have I ever suggested that Nate doesnt have some growing to do?

But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. Period. What about his Golden boy having a bad back...did that have anything to do with our success last year? There are more areas that demand his concentration level. Paging Jordan Hill.

And he really exposed himself with the contract talk, which borders on a lie. This was an agenda-filled rant rather than a genuine attempt to reach one of his players. Thats my point.

[Edited by - sebstar on 10-08-2009 1:25 PM]

How the hell is Gallinari the Golden Boy in anyones eyes? He's been as scrutinized as anyone and people on this board even called him "Il Bustino". Ridiculousness.

We're talking about D'antoni here, not some weird troll of a poster.
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10/8/2009  1:29 PM
MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.
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10/8/2009  1:30 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]
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10/8/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]

nah dawg! i am not confusing, i am trying to say that we shouldn't question his technique, because that's all this is. he is praising him and telling the truth at the same time, he is just a straight up kinda guy, and we knew this. plus he's a winner. he's only trying to get him moving, obviously other methods weren't workign
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10/8/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by orangeblobman:

MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]

These cats are so pumped to see Nate attacked that they are completely ignoring how tacky that one-year contract statement really was. Not only was it completely baseless, but it was pretty classless. They refuse to acknowledge it and be objective.

This thread is like Fox News. They just stick to their talking points and they wont deviate.

Not talking about that Blob, tho. He's just an annoying ass bug.
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10/8/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Remember: This is the second guy to bring this up in the media. Al Harrington said the same thing a few days ago. Good chance that there is a reason behind this.

is there reason enough to say it to the press? what are they trying to achieve?

i'm not trying to defend nate, i'm just questioning the motivation behind saying some of these things in the media.

Every good coach challenges players in the press. Every GREAT player responds to it. Again, this is the second time in days where this has been mentioned by two different people. Why do you think this is? Could there be more to this story?

D'Antoni is not going to sugarcoat anything. He's going to tell you what is on his mind. That's what he did. He told the truth. A truth that is not a secret and was mentioned days ago by Al Harrington. A clear message is being sent to a guy who so far this offseason(cop incident) and this preseason(arguing with teammates/refs and negotiating radio shows) may not have learned from his mistakes of the past. When guys do not learn, you do not sugarcoat. You do not pretend they don't exist. If you do, you will eventually lose that player to the very thing you are sugarcoating. You let it be known. Isiah sugarcoated, the good coaches do not. If a player cannot handle it, then he does not belong playing under D'Antoni.

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10/8/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Remember: This is the second guy to bring this up in the media. Al Harrington said the same thing a few days ago. Good chance that there is a reason behind this.

is there reason enough to say it to the press? what are they trying to achieve?

i'm not trying to defend nate, i'm just questioning the motivation behind saying some of these things in the media.

answer your own question rapsfan. why did he share that comment with the press? what's your theory? he doesn't like nate? he wants to sabotage the season? i don't get why the guy would have any agenda to hurt a player that he himself admits will be an integral part of winning this year.

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10/8/2009  1:45 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Remember: This is the second guy to bring this up in the media. Al Harrington said the same thing a few days ago. Good chance that there is a reason behind this.

is there reason enough to say it to the press? what are they trying to achieve?

i'm not trying to defend nate, i'm just questioning the motivation behind saying some of these things in the media.

answer your own question rapsfan. why did he share that comment with the press? what's your theory? he doesn't like nate? he wants to sabotage the season? i don't get why the guy would have any agenda to hurt a player that he himself admits will be an integral part of winning this year.

filed under: massive overreaction

i answered it already...he doesn't like nate and he's fed up with his antics. i really don't care what he thinks about nate or whether nate is an idiot...i ain't privy to their relationship so that's just opinion.

but i'm really just questioning the contract topic - that's such a weird thing for a coach to say. in fact, that's weird for anybody to say. especially in the media. makes no sense.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:48 PM]
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10/8/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

"He's got to channel his energy in a positive way," Mike D'Antoni says. "If he does that, he could be as good as anyone in the league. It's a challenge for him and for us but I thought he made improvements last year."

How is this destructive???? Is it really destructive Sebstar or are you just interpreting it that way? What exactly are you objecting too?

To me it sounds like he's challenging Nate. He's saying Nate can be a star and is good enough to lead this team if he gets his emotions in check. Is this secret knowledge? And he's right about the contracts. Nate and lee both did not get long-term contracts because they did not play for a winning team. Again is this secret knowledge?

Why are you cherry picking his statement, man? He didnt just say that. He associated his "channeling of energy" with our garbage season last year. Thats throwing him under the bus. And he made that false ass statement about him getting a one-year deal.

didn't you cherry pick in your original criticism of MDA?

Nate got a 1 year deal, so it's not false. Other teams could have given Nate a multi-year deal, but they didn't. So he's on a 1 year deal.
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10/8/2009  1:49 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by orangeblobman:

MDA SHOULD NOT EVEN BE QUESTIONED here because he is the WINNING COACH that has WON before and he has the experience, the knowledge, and the wisdom to lead a team.

WHY WE ARE EVEN giving Nate any type of benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Nate needs to shape up or ship out, that's how it will be. This little primadonna has no right to act the way he does.

i think you are confusing the stance being made. the question is not about *what* mda said but why did mda bring this up in the press - especially the contract?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-08-2009 1:30 PM]

These cats are so pumped to see Nate attacked that they are completely ignoring how tacky that one-year contract statement really was. Not only was it completely baseless, but it was pretty classless. They refuse to acknowledge it and be objective.

This thread is like Fox News. They just stick to their talking points and they wont deviate.

Not talking about that Blob, tho. He's just an annoying ass bug.

Would you care to illustrate what talking points you are speaking of. Personally I'm just giving my opinion like you are. I personally think D'Antoni said what he felt. It's true. Nate does need to change. I also didn't feel that he blamed Nate for the losses in the least little bit. I actually think he basically just said the guy could be great if he wanted to be.

As for the rest of this story we have no idea. It's all speculation. Imagine if you will..........Nate walking around complaining because he didn't get the long-term contract that he felt he deserved. Imagine Harrington and D'Antoni getting fed up with it and bringing this up to the press. Of course this is speculation, but I tend not to say people's actions are wrong unless I know the full-story. I expect people to give this courtesy to me, so I do the same in return.

This is clearly a message to a player on the brink of greatness or career clownery.
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10/8/2009  1:49 PM
If D'Antoni was trying to explain why Nate didn't get a longer contract from the Knicks, his statement was a lie. If he was trying to explain why Nate didn't get a better contract from someone else, it was totally classless. Especially since Nate showed loyalty to the organization after essentially holding himself out of free agency because he wanted to stay on the Knicks.

Either way, I could see why someone would have a problem with Coach D's statements. However...
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Nate's getting it done on the floor at the end of the day.

This is flat out wrong. What Nate got done on the floor, at the end of the day, was score a lot of points one-on-one while doing a piss-poor job of distributing the ball, playing D, and implementing D'Antoni's system. Duhon called him out on this as early as mid-way through the season last year. This isn't new news.

And thats where D'Antoni is coming from. He needs to make some progress this season putting his system in place. Still F'ing around in year 2 and making little progress toward becoming a team would be a disaster, for 2010, 2011, and beyond. This is the year we have to get it done, and Nate is getting called out.

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10/8/2009  1:57 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

If D'Antoni was trying to explain why Nate didn't get a longer contract from the Knicks, his statement was a lie. If he was trying to explain why Nate didn't get a better contract from someone else, it was totally classless. Especially since Nate showed loyalty to the organization after essentially holding himself out of free agency because he wanted to stay on the Knicks.

Either way, I could see why someone would have a problem with Coach D's statements. However...
Posted by sebstar:
Nate's getting it done on the floor at the end of the day.

This is flat out wrong. What Nate got done on the floor, at the end of the day, was score a lot of points one-on-one while doing a piss-poor job of distributing the ball, playing D, and implementing D'Antoni's system. Duhon called him out on this as early as mid-way through the season last year. This isn't new news.

And thats where D'Antoni is coming from. He needs to make some progress this season putting his system in place. Still F'ing around in year 2 and making little progress toward becoming a team would be a disaster, for 2010, 2011, and beyond. This is the year we have to get it done, and Nate is getting called out.

As he should be.

In that context what I was trying to say was that Nate is getting it done on the floor in comparison to his two draft picks Gallo and Hill.
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10/8/2009  1:59 PM
seb, i'm a nate supporter, although i have the same concerns any fan does of his game...

however, we know d'antoni is prone to being openly honest in public, whether that's his ego or not.

he called gallo the best shooter he's ever seen a week ago.

he said nate can lead the league in steals.

he's said a host of honest things in public very often, about what he feels.

do i always think it's appropriate?

not necessarily, but he publicly said something everyone knows. why did nate get a 1 year deal?

part of it is surely because of the $ situation for the team, but if he was a finished product, would the knicks have not offered him a longer deal? same with lee. he's not a finished product either.

they BOTH got 1 year contracts for similar reasons.

to you and dj, i don't think any of us know what the deal is other than what we hear/read in public and see on the court what's behind it, which is also why it may be tricky to take it at face value, especially when we can counterbalance this "negative" comment with a wealth of encouraging comments as well.

to bring those up is not to cherry pick, it's to add context.

if all one is looking at is the comment about why he got a 1 year contract then that is just as easily an example of cherry picking.

i think there is also a history of middle aged white coaches calling out young black players in public that is a fair thing to raise as an issue of what might be a reason some are bothered...

i'm not accusing you of saying this, even though i felt that some of your comments seemed kind of code for, or suggesting this as a concern...but now i may truly be opening a can of worms here...
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10/8/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by martin:
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"He's got to channel his energy in a positive way," Mike D'Antoni says. "If he does that, he could be as good as anyone in the league. It's a challenge for him and for us but I thought he made improvements last year."

How is this destructive???? Is it really destructive Sebstar or are you just interpreting it that way? What exactly are you objecting too?

To me it sounds like he's challenging Nate. He's saying Nate can be a star and is good enough to lead this team if he gets his emotions in check. Is this secret knowledge? And he's right about the contracts. Nate and lee both did not get long-term contracts because they did not play for a winning team. Again is this secret knowledge?

Why are you cherry picking his statement, man? He didnt just say that. He associated his "channeling of energy" with our garbage season last year. Thats throwing him under the bus. And he made that false ass statement about him getting a one-year deal.

didn't you cherry pick in your original criticism of MDA?

Nate got a 1 year deal, so it's not false. Other teams could have given Nate a multi-year deal, but they didn't. So he's on a 1 year deal.

No. because I acknowledged that some of what D'antoni has validity.

But singling Nate out for last year's team performance and the classless contract talk was beyond foul. Thats what some here arent getting.
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I once had a player get into a fight in my locker room. Threaten his teammates and tell them that he didn't need any of them. This was a kid that was already walking the line with me and his teammates. I tried to kick him off the team, but politics got in the way. When one of the reporters asked me why I wasn't playing him, I said something to the effect of

"He's a good player but.......He is incapable of being a team player and has no regard for his teammates"

Because the school made me keep the fight under raps to avoid "embarrassment" all the fans knew was that a good player was riding the bench. I was accused of benching him because I hated him.

I personally didn't care what was asked of me. I believed in giving an honest answer. If you asked me how I feel about a player or play or game, I will tell you exactly what went wrong. I called out my best/toughest players all the time. They normally responded. The fragile players I did not call them out. That's just what some coaches do.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
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"He's got to channel his energy in a positive way," Mike D'Antoni says. "If he does that, he could be as good as anyone in the league. It's a challenge for him and for us but I thought he made improvements last year."

How is this destructive???? Is it really destructive Sebstar or are you just interpreting it that way? What exactly are you objecting too?

To me it sounds like he's challenging Nate. He's saying Nate can be a star and is good enough to lead this team if he gets his emotions in check. Is this secret knowledge? And he's right about the contracts. Nate and lee both did not get long-term contracts because they did not play for a winning team. Again is this secret knowledge?

Why are you cherry picking his statement, man? He didnt just say that. He associated his "channeling of energy" with our garbage season last year. Thats throwing him under the bus. And he made that false ass statement about him getting a one-year deal.

didn't you cherry pick in your original criticism of MDA?

Nate got a 1 year deal, so it's not false. Other teams could have given Nate a multi-year deal, but they didn't. So he's on a 1 year deal.

No. because I acknowledged that some of what D'antoni has validity.

But singling Nate out for last year's team performance and the classless contract talk was beyond foul. Thats what some here arent getting.

Do you have any idea what prompted this calling out??? Is it possible that a message is being sent for things that occured that we don't know about??
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Posted by PresIke:

seb, i'm a nate supporter, although i have the same concerns any fan does of his game...

however, we know d'antoni is prone to being openly honest in public, whether that's his ego or not.

he called gallo the best shooter he's ever seen a week ago.

he said nate can lead the league in steals.

he's said a host of honest things in public very often, about what he feels.

do i always think it's appropriate?

not necessarily, but he publicly said something everyone knows. why did nate get a 1 year deal?

part of it is surely because of the $ situation for the team, but if he was a finished product, would the knicks have not offered him a longer deal? same with lee. he's not a finished product either.

they BOTH got 1 year contracts for similar reasons.

to you and dj, i don't think any of us know what the deal is other than what we hear/read in public and see on the court what's behind it, which is also why it may be tricky to take it at face value, especially when we can counterbalance this "negative" comment with a wealth of encouraging comments as well.

to bring those up is not to cherry pick, it's to add context.

if all one is looking at is the comment about why he got a 1 year contract then that is just as easily an example of cherry picking.

i think there is also a history of middle aged white coaches calling out young black players in public that is a fair thing to raise as an issue of what might be a reason some are bothered...

i'm not accusing you of saying this, even though i felt that some of your comments seemed kind of code for, or suggesting this as a concern...but now i may truly be opening a can of worms here...

i really dismiss alot of what's said in the press b/c there's no way to tell why someone says a certain thing. but the contract line sticks out b/c i haven't heard that before. just struck me as very odd.

as for his other comments, if we want to start analyzing it, what does he mean when he says "when we get it" in conjuction with nate getting it? getting what? and if it's not just nate, why is he being singled out?

i think he messed up with the contract line. that's it. no biggie. nate tho, imho, won't say anything b/c he's never said anything before unlike some of his other teammates.
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i think there is also a history of middle aged white coaches calling out young black players in public that is a fair thing to raise as an issue of what might be a reason some are bothered...

i'm not accusing you of saying this, even though i felt that some of your comments seemed kind of code for, or suggesting this as a concern...but now i may truly be opening a can of worms here...

This is the third straight coach that has said the exact same thing. The only thing different that D'Antoni said is he brought up the contract. It's time for Nate to stop f'ing around and get serious about winning. When he does, the accolades and money will follow. Until then he's just an ultra talented player that can't elevate his team.

We all interpret things different ways. In the end it doesn't matter. What matters is how Nate interprets it. I personally have been called worse, and have called out younger players before and had them react positively. If you fools could hear half of the stuff that Jim Calhoun has said about his players you would bury yourselves in your cry towels. We will need to see how Nate responds. My guess is that not only will he be fine, but he will also be pretty much the same guy he was yesterday.
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