Posted by BRIGGS:



I would take a 20% chance at Lebron over watching Ramon Session 7 days a week and twice on Friday. But if you want to fill a roster up with guys that will lead us to 45 wins every year enjoy. I would rather suck and take a shot at something great.



We have cap space to sign Ramon Sessions for 4 yrs 16mm AND sign Lebron to a maximum contract--add it up please so this incessant redundancy will stop. Not trying to break cahones but when you post something atleast bring the right math to the table

I have added it up and it doesn't add up. You put the numbers out there and prove that it works.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:



I would take a 20% chance at Lebron over watching Ramon Session 7 days a week and twice on Friday. But if you want to fill a roster up with guys that will lead us to 45 wins every year enjoy. I would rather suck and take a shot at something great.



We have cap space to sign Ramon Sessions for 4 yrs 16mm AND sign Lebron to a maximum contract--add it up please so this incessant redundancy will stop. Not trying to break cahones but when you post something atleast bring the right math to the table

I have added it up and it doesn't add up. You put the numbers out there and prove that it works.

		2009	2010	2010 	2011
				capholds	
----------------------------------------------
Hughes		13.7			
Mobley		9.5			
Darko		7.5			
Harrington	10			
Curry		10.5	11.3	11.3	
Jefferies	6.5	6.8	6.8	
Gallo		3	3.3	3.3	4.1
Chandler	1.3	2.1	2.1	3
Hill		2.5	2.7	2.7	2.9
Douglas		1	1	1	1.2
Duhon		6			
Nate				
Lee		7		9.6	8
Sessions		3.7		
----------------------------------------------				
		78.5	

30.7mm with Sessions thats 19.3mm in cap space.

no one will be crying over utah's pick. that stuff floats by real quickly. how churned up are you about kirk snyder? remember him? ty Thomas? joakim noah? it's the past and these guys didn’t become studs. so don't worry about how long people will look in the rear view mirror.

I'm very churned up by those guys, and I don't even know who they are.

JWall,
Let me get this straight,you said you would like sessions for 4 mil instead of joe johnson for 15?? There you go again comparing apples and oranges. Joe johnson is a proven top tier player and will help more than hurt a team.Sessions is an unproven talent and we wouldnt know what he gives us.How can you compare the 2?? Seems to me you got your Knicks cap on a bit too tight. Oh wait your the nets fan that wants us to trade good young players and their contracts for washed up has beens and their bloated contracts just to win this yr.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by cooch2584:

JWall,
Let me get this straight,you said you would like sessions for 4 mil instead of joe johnson for 15?? There you go again comparing apples and oranges. Joe johnson is a proven top tier player and will help more than hurt a team.Sessions is an unproven talent and we wouldnt know what he gives us.How can you compare the 2?? Seems to me you got your Knicks cap on a bit too tight. Oh wait your the nets fan that wants us to trade good young players and their contracts for washed up has beens and their bloated contracts just to win this yr.

I'll take Sessions at 4mm versus J Johnson for 15 any day of the week. Let's not lump Joe Johnson into any kind of star category--and when he came into the league he WASNT as good as Sessions is Y-Y.
If Sessions was given 40 minutes like JJ has been given for the Knicks--my bet is his numbers would be better. Remember Sessions was a top 25 PER player last year

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 09-09-2009 3:35 PM]

U gonna have to let this go at some point.

Sessions is a decent prospect, but he wasnt worth compromising our chances at landing a premium free agent in '10...it may or may not work, but what I can tell you is that Sessions is not worth getting this lathered up. C'mon now, dog.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:


Curry, JJ, Gallo, Chandler, Hill, Douglas, and Sessions at $4M in 2010 is $31.2M, add in the cap holds at something like $450K for a full roster of 13 players and you are at $34M or $16M in cap space.

LeBron max agent in this scenario is 30% of cap or $15M.

No flexibility in that scenario to consider Harrington, Lee, Nate, etc.

EDIT:

May have made a mistake, cause I think LeBron is eligible for 30% of cap OR 105% of his current salary, which would be $15.78 * 1.05 = $16.6M

There is no flexibility for anything other than a maximum player. We cannot guarantee an unrestricted FA will sign back here as well.

Am i to take your last comment as if we should not at all go after an UFA in 2010? Just build around Lee, Nate, Sessions? Don't know what you are suggesting there.

I am a little surprised you want to go after Sessions so hard knowing the cap numbers as we do after you pined about resigning your own free agents. In the $50M salary cap scenario, you shut out Lee and Nate completely.

Walsh takes flexibility into 2010 for another 9 months. Perhaps we are able to trade JJ/Nate to SAC after all, and we get to keep Lee, sign LeBron, and sign another PG.

Could be that Walsh has already told Lee that he will sign him in 2010 if he holds tight, no matter the cap (but only after a max FA comes).

I am looking a Duhon vs Sessions with LeBron on the team and I think I prefer Duhon. With LeBron, you don't need a breakdown PG but rather a pick-and-roll PG who can hit from the outside, which Duhon demonstrated.

Duhon hits nearly 40% from 3-point land and we KNOW he can run pick-n-roll. He doesn't finish at the rim as well as Sessions, but that could be a factor of the team as well as the player - how many outside shooters did the Knicks have last year that would hold a defense from collapsing?

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:


Curry, JJ, Gallo, Chandler, Hill, Douglas, and Sessions at $4M in 2010 is $31.2M, add in the cap holds at something like $450K for a full roster of 13 players and you are at $34M or $16M in cap space.

LeBron max agent in this scenario is 30% of cap or $15M.

No flexibility in that scenario to consider Harrington, Lee, Nate, etc.

EDIT:

May have made a mistake, cause I think LeBron is eligible for 30% of cap OR 105% of his current salary, which would be $15.78 * 1.05 = $16.6M

There is no flexibility for anything other than a maximum player. We cannot guarantee an unrestricted FA will sign back here as well.

Am i to take your last comment as if we should not at all go after an UFA in 2010? Just build around Lee, Nate, Sessions? Don't know what you are suggesting there.

I am a little surprised you want to go after Sessions so hard knowing the cap numbers as we do after you pined about resigning your own free agents. In the $50M salary cap scenario, you shut out Lee and Nate completely.

Walsh takes flexibility into 2010 for another 9 months. Perhaps we are able to trade JJ/Nate to SAC after all, and we get to keep Lee, sign LeBron, and sign another PG.

Could be that Walsh has already told Lee that he will sign him in 2010 if he holds tight, no matter the cap (but only after a max FA comes).

I am looking a Duhon vs Sessions with LeBron on the team and I think I prefer Duhon. With LeBron, you don't need a breakdown PG but rather a pick-and-roll PG who can hit from the outside, which Duhon demonstrated.

Duhon hits nearly 40% from 3-point land and we KNOW he can run pick-n-roll. He doesn't finish at the rim as well as Sessions, but that could be a factor of the team as well as the player - how many outside shooters did the Knicks have last year that would hold a defense from collapsing?

Come on man Sessions was a top 25 PER player on a team void of it s two main guns half the year as a rookie PG. Chris Duhon really is a back up player with a balky back.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:


Curry, JJ, Gallo, Chandler, Hill, Douglas, and Sessions at $4M in 2010 is $31.2M, add in the cap holds at something like $450K for a full roster of 13 players and you are at $34M or $16M in cap space.

LeBron max agent in this scenario is 30% of cap or $15M.

No flexibility in that scenario to consider Harrington, Lee, Nate, etc.

EDIT:

May have made a mistake, cause I think LeBron is eligible for 30% of cap OR 105% of his current salary, which would be $15.78 * 1.05 = $16.6M

There is no flexibility for anything other than a maximum player. We cannot guarantee an unrestricted FA will sign back here as well.

Am i to take your last comment as if we should not at all go after an UFA in 2010? Just build around Lee, Nate, Sessions? Don't know what you are suggesting there.

I am a little surprised you want to go after Sessions so hard knowing the cap numbers as we do after you pined about resigning your own free agents. In the $50M salary cap scenario, you shut out Lee and Nate completely.

Walsh takes flexibility into 2010 for another 9 months. Perhaps we are able to trade JJ/Nate to SAC after all, and we get to keep Lee, sign LeBron, and sign another PG.

Could be that Walsh has already told Lee that he will sign him in 2010 if he holds tight, no matter the cap (but only after a max FA comes).

I am looking a Duhon vs Sessions with LeBron on the team and I think I prefer Duhon. With LeBron, you don't need a breakdown PG but rather a pick-and-roll PG who can hit from the outside, which Duhon demonstrated.

Duhon hits nearly 40% from 3-point land and we KNOW he can run pick-n-roll. He doesn't finish at the rim as well as Sessions, but that could be a factor of the team as well as the player - how many outside shooters did the Knicks have last year that would hold a defense from collapsing?

Come on man Sessions was a top 25 PER player on a team void of it s two main guns half the year as a rookie PG. Chris Duhon really is a back up player with a balky back.

a player's PER goes UP on a team void of its 2 main guns cause there are more stats to go around, so that makes sense. His PER was also just a hint above what Luke Rindour's was a couple years back.

How does Portland pass up a chance to lock up a lower costing PG on a young team rather than Andre Miller? Why did MIL draft a PG when they could have locked up Sessions long term? How come no other team but a team with a rookie GM who just drafted 2 PGs in the top 6 picks sign Sessions to an offer sheet?

I agree martin. If sessions is so good why did the bucks let him go for a paltry 4 mil?? Why did they draft jennings and I assume hes gonna start.Maybe Donnie smelled something fishy when the offers for sesssions dried up and he went to twolves.I back Donnies plan 1000% This team will get experience this yr, upset some teams, play exciting games and still have the cap space for 2010. Again let it play out!!

And I dont believe that some people would want sessions over joe johnson!! Talk about not getting your bang for your bucks. COME ON PEOPLE!!Oh so some people wouldnt like joe johnson and and another max free agent instead of LBJ?? I want what your smoking. Donnie is just seeing if he can 2 fas and leap the healing process and culture of the of this team and its fan base to make people forget the IT yrs. Can anyone argue this( I know some of will argue this LOL)

Posted by cooch2584:

And I dont believe that some people would want sessions over joe johnson!! Talk about not getting your bang for your bucks. COME ON PEOPLE!!Oh so some people wouldnt like joe johnson and and another max free agent instead of LBJ?? I want what your smoking. Donnie is just seeing if he can 2 fas and leap the healing process and culture of the of this team and its fan base to make people forget the IT yrs. Can anyone argue this( I know some of will argue this LOL)

Briggs doesnt think that Sessions is anywhere near Joe Johnson, he's just trying to artificially inflate Session's game to prove a point --- that Walsh is the biggest idiot in the world for not signing him

I mean over in the NBA folder he said he would rather have Anthony Randolph and Brook Lopez [two players the knicks passed on in the 08 draft that he was dying to have] over Lebron James. Shows you the type of mentality we're dealing with here. All good sense goes out the window when the Knicks dont do exactly what he wants and says the Knicks should do.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-09-2009 4:49 PM]