Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by CrushAlot:

You left this part out.
sessions is not demonstrably better than duhon or nate - he might grow into a better player, but it's certainly not enough of a difference to risk a chance at Lebron James or even a plan B guy like Amare.

sessions is not flawless, man. he's got no jumper. sure, d'antoni liked him but d'antoni also begged the suns to throw $20 M at Marcus Banks after he was in a very similar situation to Sessions

when we renounce duhon and nate leaves--who is the PG?

This is a legitimate issue, IMO. Who are we looking at to be our PG after next year?

Did MDA concur with Walsh's decision not to make an offer to Sessions? Was he, or his brother, even consulted in more than a casual way? I would have left it up to the D'Antoni brothers to decide whether Sessions could have become the Knicks' stud PG of the future, and whether he was worth the Knicks giving him the kind of contract he got from Minny.

He may not be the kind of PG you would want with James on your team- a PG who has a consistent jumper, but even though I want the Knicks to have the cap flexibility to pick up free agents the next few years, I also want them to have a foundation of players who can work with the non-James free agents we are more likely to end up with in 2010 and 2011. At $4M per year for 4 years he would also have some nice trade value if we choose to attain player upgrades through the trade route.

Strange decision by Walsh.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 09-04-2009 6:01 PM]

The bottom line is he has been too conservative to a fault and in his own hindsight he knows it. We would ALREADY have Ricky Rubio and we would have already traded Lee and Nate to get full value back if this was not true. I think in each case there will be regret for not having cahones to pull a trigger. Some of these guys on the board who have TD slotted for a starting spot in the NBA are going to be disappointed--hes a player who is going to need development time to get used to bigger players at the rim. Big world of difference when you go up against a 6-8 C in college and a 6-7 G in the nBA only to find a 7-1c and 6-10 PF behind him. He is very fast and that will help. Going back to DW--I respect him for sticking to his guns but I think he has swung the pendulum so hard away from IT that we have missed out on great opportunity from conservatism. No risk no rewaRD.

too conservative? Hasn't Walsh played the ultimate non-conservative card by coming up with a plan that goes after LeBron, Bosh, Wade, etc?

I guess you can call throwing all of your eggs in one basket risky or even stupid.

I guess you can call signing bit players and not having room to sign the best player in the NBA stupid too.

this level of drama over Ramon Sessions? He's 2nd round talent. He might be a good NBA player. Jeff McInnis was for some time also. Sorry.. same type of talent.

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Posted by kam77:

Kahn pulled a fast one on Donnie. He knew all along if Rubio didn't come, he'd use our cap situation against us and go for Sessions. Going for Rubio was dumb. Going for Sessions was smart.

Oh but Sesions is dumb. Babysit for Rambis in minny or start for D'antoni in nyc?

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-04-2009 1:16 PM]

How could he have known all along when we made offers to G. Hill and J. Kidd? I don't buy this at all. What has changed since then? (Nothing has). J. Kidd can't shoot great either so I wonder if they just have issues with Sessions. Somethings just don't make sense???

Something DID change. The NBA said the cap might be 50mil.

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Posted by fishmike:

this level of drama over Ramon Sessions? He's 2nd round talent. He might be a good NBA player. Jeff McInnis was for some time also. Sorry.. same type of talent.

its just crazy that people around here would want to jeopardize acquiring serious, franchise-changing talent for a guy like Ramon Sessions. In addition, to me, this says a lot about Sessions more than anything. With everything that is going on right now, he just isnt worth it. He is not a significant upgrade over Duhon. Point blank.

you can make a legitimate argument that chris duhon is the worst starting pg in the nba and all it's entities (cba + wnba). it defies the laws of physics to say sessions is worse.

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Posted by sebstar:

Posted by fishmike:

this level of drama over Ramon Sessions? He's 2nd round talent. He might be a good NBA player. Jeff McInnis was for some time also. Sorry.. same type of talent.

its just crazy that people around here would want to jeopardize acquiring serious, franchise-changing talent for a guy like Ramon Sessions. In addition, to me, this says a lot about Sessions more than anything. With everything that is going on right now, he just isnt worth it. He is not a significant upgrade over Duhon. Point blank.

you can make a legitimate argument that chris duhon is the worst starting pg in the nba and all it's entities (cba + wnba). it defies the laws of physics to say sessions is worse.

I said he wasnt a significant upgrade, not that he's worse. 09-10 means nothing anyway.

Not signing sessions may come back to bite us good. If he could have been had for only 4 million a year you would think with his skill that contract could be traded in the future. (If Donnie is worried about 2010, but worst case). After all, he did try to get Hill and Kidd.

We are probably going to be able to get rid of either Curry or Jeffries. I just don't see us not being to be able to move any more contracts. We also still have Mobley who should be able to entice some buyers. Throw in that Nate or Lee. We do have some nice pieces to help us unload. It's not like we are talking about a 10 million dollar contract.

I really don't understand this now. Who is our future pg? Douglas needs probably 2-3 years and Duhon really needs a backup, after seeing him break down last year that much is clear. Does this mean Nate is the backup and Douglas the understudy?

If the Bucks match when can they trade Sessions (and try to get value)?

anyone stop to think we might be able to get a PG as good or better than Sessions during next off season?

people here have REALLY made Sessions into something he isnt. We are talking about 2nd round talent that has played very well for a bad team in a lot of meaningless games.

Sessions upside is very limited because he's got physical limitations.

You know who had a higher vert, fasted 3/4 court sprint and better lane agility score than Session did?

Chris Duhon.

Yea... go look it up.

awesome GM work Briggie... lets impact our chance to sign a superstar and commit $4-$5mm a year on a guy you have seen play 3 times.

Not shooting anything out my mouth but what I see. Sessions is NOT an athletic guy by NBA standards. He's a heady player who has put up good numbers in meaningless games for a team going to the lottery.

Just so you know when people on this site talk about a player over and over again the first thing I do is scour the internet for video, and knowing how tech savvy you are with things like using the URL buttons and smiley features I am willing to be I have seen a lot more Sessions tape (and mostly highlights) than you have.

He's a heady player. Like a Tinsley or McInnis. The point about Duhon is that Chris Duhon is actually a better athlete than Ramon Sessions. So you can talk about his one 44 point game (he never had 30 point game) or his one game of 22 assists but let me hear you harp on the upside of a guy thats lee athletic than Chris Duhon. Please... entertain me. I have seen hours of highlights on the guy. I went on the Bucks message board (who have watched him every game) and it all equals the same thing. He's a decent player. A MLE type player. In the right situation he's fine. He's not a I have to sign just to show my fans who proactive I am being.

But thanks for you suggestion.

Lets fill the roster with average 2nd round talent. At least we wont be holding our dicks when all the guys that led us to another 32 win season leave right?

Tony Parker like quickness? Now who's talking sh!t out the side of their mouth?

Sessions has no jump shot. So he has to get into the lane to do anything. The guy is OK. He's average talent, and redundant on this team. If we wanted a guy that can get into the lane so bad we would have signed Tinsley for nothing. All the guy does is get into the lane and pass to open shooters.

Tony Parker? For phucks sakes... Toney Douglas is more like it.

The point in the Buck's message board is simple. The fans that watch him everyday are quite happy to let him walk in favor of a watching a rookie play.

Seems like two people in the world think Sessions is great. You and GM of the Wolves.

Sessions is better than Duhon. But he's middle of the road NBA talent. whoop de do