Nalod got profiled and pulled over.......
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Knicksfan
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8/15/2009 2:36 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:Posted by BasketballJones:Posted by Knicksfan:Posted by BasketballJones: Its because of the economy Knicks_Fan
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TMS
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8/15/2009 2:52 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:  After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
8/15/2009 3:17 PM
Why the hell are you guys giving Code a hard time about his posts? That's pretty shoddy to me. The dude is offering his opinion and he's going to type it the way he's going to type it. Either respond to it or don't, but don't tell him to dumb it down and then say his opinion sucks.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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sebstar
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8/15/2009 3:30 PM
Posted by codeunknown:Posted by sebstar: Finally got you to admit that you advocated profiling when you initially claimed you did nothing of the sort and tried to weasel out of owning up to your own words.. Okay accomplished that. Now how exactly are we going to "set precedents that dont broadly disadvantage innocent people." Racial profiling is inherently discriminatory, unconstitutional, and has been broadly disadvantaging innocent people! That's the precedent that has been set, so if you recognize that perhaps you can start getting to the source of Gates' anger. And before you try to get cute and continue this game you're playing, because I can already anticipate how you would respond to that ---its minorities, specifically blacks, that are the victims of constitutional violations at the hands of officers. Not white professionals driving nice cars at the hands of Black officers. That's the context of this argument. Easy for you to kick your feet up and suggest measures of profiling when you know you're not going to be the one pulled over. Perhaps not you specifically, but in a completely bizarre way this thread has tried to position Nalod's stop as some example of profiling. You at the very least have tried to casually ignore the fact that the stop was legitimate in order to push through with your talking points and create equivalency. One man accidentally steps on my shoes and apologizes...another man spits in my face. Same reaction from me for both? So we're back to square one. Like I suggested in the beginning, according to you when it comes to civil liberties the Constitution is simply a negotiation and something to maneuver around. And I see you at least tried to better flesh out your position on why Gates has been invoked in this thread, by shoehorning guilt and innocence. I dont think anybody has suggested that Gates' handling of the situation was impeccable. But you're being purposefully insincere by focusing on Gates' overreaction and not the officer luring him out of his own home to arrest him, for the sole purpose of putting Gates in his place and showing him who is in charge. The officer's actions have larger and more grave implications. Thats the overriding point. Word to the wise, take better ownership of your own words and your replies rather than solely concentrating on emitting this noxious air of superiority. You're not dumb, but by judging by your performance in this thread --- that air is not warranted. My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
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sebstar
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8/15/2009 3:35 PM
Posted by nyk4ever: he offers his opinion and we are not allowed to offer ours? Furthermore, there are rules to what exactly we can offer up as our opinion concerning his posts? How does that work? My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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newyorknewyork
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8/15/2009 3:36 PM
Posted by sidsanders:Posted by BasketballJones: https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
8/15/2009 3:41 PM
Posted by nyk4ever: considering he's made no attempt to hide his disdain for the quality of my posts in several other threads i don't see why u would have a problem if i commented on how he posted his... maybe u can offer him the same advice u just offered me. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
8/15/2009 5:21 PM
Posted by TMS:Posted by nyk4ever: Really? I can't see Code doing that, but I'll take your word for it. My bad then. Posted by sebstar: Seb, I got no problem with you giving Code your opinion, the same he did you. Thats how we roll here - both you and TMS are two of my dudes here. I just think telling someone that their posts are too dense and thesaurusy is kinda busch league. If thats the way the way he talks, why should he change it on a forum? If it's too thesaurusy and people don't reply then they don't reply, but I don't think he should be berated for it lol. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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BasketballJones
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8/15/2009 5:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:Posted by TMS:Posted by nyk4ever: Yeah guys. That's a critical part of code's shtick. Personally, I enjoy reading code's wordy and highfalutin' posts. I don't understand them, but I enjoy reading them.  https://
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codeunknown
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8/15/2009 7:47 PM
Posted by sebstar:Posted by codeunknown:Posted by sebstar: My performance in this thread certainly trumps your defiant gibberish. Who are you fooling with the "dumb" comment? Are you out of your mind? Judging by your circus act so far, you are dumb; at the very least juvenile in your interpretation. Trust me, in your hasty adolescence, you don't want to go there with me. Speaking of getting cute, your quick and unsuccessful attempt to racially color my general comment regarding profiling speaks to how narrow your experience is; how about this --- should we audit more white investment bankers and small business owners, should we target white principal investigators with mansuscipt text-screening for plagiarism, should health professionals be more vigilant in detecting men as perpetrators of domestic violence? The balance between the efficacy of law enforcement, whether it be preventing auto-theft, white-collar fraud or domestic violence, and citizen liberty should be empirically driven; ultimately, short-term safety may not validate perpetuating racial resentment but, depending on the homogeneity of the culprits and severity of the infractions, it is a valid thought experiment. Moreover, this conflict is readily identified in the Constitution and speaks against your amateurish reading. Amendment 14 states "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Yet, the preamble itself declares that the priorities of government include insuring domestic tranquility, providing for the common defense, promote the general welfare. Unfortunately, when profiling occurs, there are 3 parties involved - the potential innocent accused, the potential guilty accused and the potential victim -- each with a stake in life, liberty and property. The government has obligations to each party and must act with incomplete information; either action or inaction should, once again, rest on empiric probabilities - recognizing that no solution will be flawless. The demographics of each party can certainly incite racist motivation and taint the decision making. Without potent qualifiers to better the specificity in profiling criteria, its easy to err on either side; in a scenario where victims and perpetrators are statistically racially split, its even more important to hedge that line as any deviation will disadvantage one group. Still, the responsibilities of govenment go beyond culling racism and, hence, profiling in a vacuum is not necessarily a negative process. In fact, the Constitution is itself a negotiation of liberties as its authors saw fit; villifying me for reiterating that is ridiculous. Which is why I'm proceeding to rip you a new one for daring to go there. The reason for the comparison with Nalod's incident was neither to mythologize Nalod nor arrive at the source of Gates anger; we know why we was angry. In your anger, however, you went predictably astray discussing the "overriding point" that the officer's approach to Gates was wrong; again, its common knowledge that blacks suffer from racial targeting by police and the implications have been both well defined and demonstrated -- AND precisely why its interesting to consider the transposability of Nalod's behavior to the black victim in avoiding further hassle. Its interesting because the answer isn't clear. The dynamics with the racial role reversal certainly differ. While white racism is often rooted in ignoring a history of subjugation to malign blacks intrisically for their poverty-related shortcomings and black reverse racism is often rooted in excessive and monolithic mistrust/vengeance, respect and an open discourse can help allay those fears by minimizing those misunderstandings. Guilt, perceived or real, in these encounters plays into the diffulty of the accused in executing civil behavior as well as into the inference of the degree of potential police bias; the fact remains, however, that this only marginally confounds the impressive diametrically opposed outcomes in these 2 inter-racial encounters, which suggest that the nature of the interaction is absolutely paramount. At its peak, racism may not be amenable to discourse. But, it is reasonable to hypothesize that an attempt at civility may be practically beneficial whether it means acquiescing to Gates officer's demands or ignoring Nalod's officer's "suspicious" car comment. And its tough. For those that think that interacting politely with cops when you feel targeted is a given, either obvious or easy, send that memo to Gates. Seb, you've been either rude, wrong and irrelevant so far. Keep in mind, that you escalated this. I will gladly follow suit. Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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TMS
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8/15/2009 8:06 PM
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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sebstar
Posts: 25698 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/2/2002 Member: #249 USA |
8/15/2009 11:49 PM
Dateline: 2008. Subject. Presidential Campaign Trail.
In an attempt to gain sympathy from women and reverse the trend of a rapidly-dwindling base, Vice-Presidential hopeful Sarah Palin attempted to catch desperation in a bottle by manipulating a certain down home, southern-fried phrase uttered by Obama. What was that phrase Code? Ah, yes, Lipstick on a Pig. That trite phrase succinctly wraps your latest post into a neat little bow. Admittedly, you do a bang up job of turning a championing of racial profiling rant into an aesthetically pleasing, scholarly journal knock off. But the barest of scrutiny reveals your words as little more than dressed up Turner Diaries type grumblings...You're like Orangeblob on steroids. So on cue ... "dem____commit all those crimes," morphs into "short-term safety may not validate perpetuating racial resentment but, depending on the homogeneity of the culprits...it is a valid thought experiment" Bizarre stuff. You recoil at the mere horror of my analyzing a line you tried to slip in as predictably, "racially coloring your words." To further prove that point, you proceed to launch into a condescending and thoroughly rambling diatribe that makes a limp justification of racial profiling. How new age of you. Only somebody like you would make the argument that the most basic of human rights afforded in the constitution is some sort of amateurish understanding or interpretation of said document. I dont think the founding fathers intended for life and liberty to be compromised based on the racist whims of law enforcers who often choose to randomly harass law-abiding African-Americans effectively stripping them of their fundamental rights and maligning them with the ubiquitous and often imaginary "you fit the description" (despite the inconsistencies regarding race contained in the document.) And why does this sort of racial stratification always seems to stop at a certain place? For example, The racial homogeneity garbage can be applied to the makeup of child attackers and molesters. Yet I dont see white men randomly stopped, searched, harassed and embarrassed near playgrounds and schools. But its good to know that the countless times that I have been stopped, searched, harassed, and embarrassed at my collegiate campus and its surrounding areas for doing nothing more than being black and minding my own business has all been in the name of some invisible short-term safety goal. This isnt some abstract concept that I can analyze in a cool manner like you --- its life. And in an attempt to create some equity, what if investigators had narrowed their search and ignored evidence that countered their racial theories regarding the Washington D.C sniper case? When the dominant cultures gets even a faint whiff of a fraction of what minorities experience, they go crazy. Remember when Director of Homeland Security released a report warning of potential violence from right-wing extremists...i.e, angry white males. Conservatives went apeshyt at the mere idea that they could be profiled or targeted in any fashion despite the strong validity to the report. Whites wont stand for that kind of stuff for one second, no matter if the Presidents life is at stake or there is the threat of domestic terrorism. But when it comes to the rights of minorities, let the Constitutional capitulation begin. We're not talking about the government promoting pie-in-the-sky racial sensitivity. We're talking about protecting the rights that we supposedly celebrate as our greatest strength and the source for countless wars. But there is an unintended hilarity to this thread in general. Nalod got a little taste of that helpless feeling as he perceived discrimination from somebody who has the power of the badge and the law. Even though he kept his cool, its easy to see how quietly he is seething over the incident and how oppressed he feels. And his stop was completely legitimate, he's just quibbling over a misguided word uttered by the officer. Now, magnify that by one-hundred. What I take the most umbrage with is the obsession with Gates' behavior and your evolutionary "if he had known his place" leanings. Thats it...if Blacks would just learn to behave then we wouldnt be having these problems now would we? Gates', while reactionary, was expressing non-threatening anger in his own home and excercising his first amendment rights. But we've already gone over what freedom means for the undesirables. Besides, Ask Ryan Moats how far being civil to an officer will take you. Hearing you guys try to prop up Nalod's behavior and in turn castigate Gates is insulting. In recent UK posts, we've had videos of cops pulling over ambulances and arresting drivers, not allowing an athlete to see his dying mother in the hospital, viciously beating up children, and a story of a white cop killing a black cop. This is the best you guys can come up with to try and gain some equilibrium? As far as the personal attacks go, you can have that. [Edited by - sebstar on 08-15-2009 11:53 PM] [Edited by - sebstar on 08-16-2009 12:21 AM] [Edited by - sebstar on 08-16-2009 12:50 AM] My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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arkrud
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8/16/2009 12:47 AM
Posted by sebstar: Have another cop story for you: "The rock legend was stopped in July by police in Long Branch, New Jersey, who were responding to a call about a suspicious person roaming the neighborhood, police said. According to Long Branch Police Department Sgt. Michael Ahart, Dylan had been peering into a window of a house that was for sale, which prompted a neighbor to call the police on July 23. One of two responding officers, Officer Kristie Buble, 24, approached Dylan and asked him for his name. "She recognized the name, she just really didn't believe it was Bob Dylan," Ahart told CNN. "He was soaking wet because it was raining and he was wearing a hood." So Buble asked the musician for identification, but he had none. Buble and her partner, Officer Derrick Meyers, 24, then asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them to where his tour buses were parked. Once they arrived, Dylan showed them identification. "Dylan was really cool about the whole incident," Ahart said. He said he asked the singer why he had been walking in the rain and was told, "I just felt like going for a walk." Dylan, who is on a national tour with musicians Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, was in Long Branch on the Jersey shore prior to his performance at a baseball stadium in nearby Lakewood. Rain-lowers profiling... "  "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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sebstar
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8/16/2009 12:54 AM
My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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codeunknown
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8/16/2009 1:14 AM
Posted by sebstar: If it comes to having to choose between my "quasi-racist" scholarly knock-off over your poorly strung together motley of naive, defensive stock arguments, I think you're at a loss. Try actually reading my post next time. It'll save you the cliche rebuttals of arguments that were never made. Those would be the parts of your post in between the transparent attempt at putting words in my mouth. Bottom line is I don't have the time to indulge your posturing. Hopefully, the next time we spar, you're in a place where you can be more receptive instead of reflexly crying racism. Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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BasketballJones
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8/16/2009 9:55 AM
Posted by arkrud: It's a good thing they didn't search Willie's bus. https://
It's not so hard.
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newyorknewyork
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8/16/2009 10:13 AM
Posted by arkrud: The problem with the Gates case wasn't that someone called the cops on Gates because they though he was breaking into the house as he was black. The problem was the officer treating Gates as a criminal before he got the facts most likely because he was black. If Gates was white he probably would have been treated with way more respect and the officer would have been more lenient. Especially an white male at the same age with a cane. That's basically the argument. Cops show less respect, and are less lenient to blacks when interacting with them then they are to whites. The Dylan story just gives a small example of that. Dylan was cool about it because the officer according to this story didn't come off as an *******. She asked for his name, she didn't yell at him from a distance to step away from the house and put his hand where she could see before asking his name and purpose. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BRIGGS
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8/16/2009 1:11 PM
Nalod caught on tape prior to incident
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93BUICK
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8/16/2009 2:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS: BRIGGS with the humor! Nice find. If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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Nalod got profiled and pulled over.......