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7/29/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by crzymdups:

no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.

If the Knicks sign Jamaal Tinsley instead of Allen Iverson do me a favor and talk me off the ledge
...If you really think that Iverson would be a good fit for this Knicks team I would be more likely to give you a push.
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7/29/2009  7:12 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by crzymdups:

no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.

If the Knicks sign Jamaal Tinsley instead of Allen Iverson do me a favor and talk me off the ledge
...If you really think that Iverson would be a good fit for this Knicks team I would be more likely to give you a push.

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7/29/2009  7:20 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by crzymdups:

no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.

If the Knicks sign Jamaal Tinsley instead of Allen Iverson do me a favor and talk me off the ledge
...If you really think that Iverson would be a good fit for this Knicks team I would be more likely to give you a push.

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7/29/2009  7:35 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by crzymdups:

no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.

If the Knicks sign Jamaal Tinsley instead of Allen Iverson do me a favor and talk me off the ledge
...If you really think that Iverson would be a good fit for this Knicks team I would be more likely to give you a push.

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7/30/2009  12:17 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2009/07/why-not-ai.html

at least change the title, frank.
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7/30/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2009/07/why-not-ai.html

at least change the title, frank.

LOL

I guess this makes you a celeb.

You can just tell these guys trawl Knick forums now for ideas. That's how quiet Walsh has things. No more drama nothing to write.
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7/30/2009  2:50 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by crzymdups:

no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.

Knicks don't have a savior and there isn't one out there, especially Iverson.
maybe an oversimplification but I think you nailed. In the past the Knicks would always have made a bad move or a terrible move rather than no move. They have always felt obligated to "try something."

I think with DW that changes.

They couldnt just end the Ewing era. They had to *do* something. Even if it made ZERO sense like trading for Glen Rice when they had Houston and Sprewell playing 40 minutes a night. When that didnt work they had to *do* something because thats the guy they traded for Ewing.

The Knicks had needs (obviously).

But here's a thought.

Rather than make a wrong move lets make no move at all.

Maybe things change and we get lucky and we get a taker for Curry and Douglas is a good player. Maybe we dont but we dont go backwards either.

i agree with what you are saying. but signing iverson for a year is not digging a hole. he stinks or acts up? you banish him.

signing sessions to a 5yr full MLE? that might be digging a hole.

This pretty much sums it up. Signing Iverson for one year is a low risk move. If he doesn't fit, he walks next summer. If we sign Sessions, and he proves to be nothing more than a one-year-wonder, we are stuck for 4 years.

We have no pick next year, so why not try to improve this team. And dont fool yourselves into thinking that Iverson is taking away playing time from Douglas who would lose playing time if we signed Sessions or Tinsely anyway. Iverson, if anything adds some interest to the season.
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7/31/2009  7:36 AM
Ramon Sessions could receive a contract offer from the Knicks as early as Friday, assuming they don't have a change of heart and shift their point-guard focus to Allen Iverson.
Mike D'Antoni is said to favor Sessions, a restricted free agent who enjoyed a breakout season for Milwaukee last year. However, Iverson could be a cheaper alternative because the perennial All-Star is willing to accept a one-year contract that would cost the Knicks their $5.85 million mid-level exception. Sessions, 23, is hoping to receive a multi-year contract starting with the mid-level exception. The Bucks would have seven days to match the offer.
According to a team source, Knicks president Donnie Walsh and Iverson's agent, Leon Rose, met two weeks ago to discuss the possibility of Iverson joining the Knicks. Iverson had a subpar year last season with Detroit and desperately wants to salvage his career.
Although Walsh is responsible for signing players he also values D'Antoni's opinion. For example, Walsh had D'Antoni meet with free agent point guard Jamaal Tinsley on Wednesday in New York. Tinsley remains a long-shot option.
The Knicks would sign Iverson only if D'Antoni endorsed the move. Iverson, 34, has a history of clashing with head coaches, which would obviously concern D'Antoni. However, there is also a feeling that Iverson will thrive in D'Antoni's free-flowing offense.
Plus, signing Iverson would generate buzz for the Knicks, who have thus far been shut out in the free agent market. They failed to land Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Andre Miller. In fact, the Knicks have yet to sign a player in what is historically the busiest month for transactions.
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7/31/2009  8:16 AM
They need to add some little spin to MSG spinoff out of Cablevision...
Iverson we go!!!!
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7/31/2009  8:49 AM
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This pretty much sums it up. Signing Iverson for one year is a low risk move. If he doesn't fit, he walks next summer. If we sign Sessions, and he proves to be nothing more than a one-year-wonder, we are stuck for 4 years.

We have no pick next year, so why not try to improve this team. And dont fool yourselves into thinking that Iverson is taking away playing time from Douglas who would lose playing time if we signed Sessions or Tinsely anyway. Iverson, if anything adds some interest to the season.

Iverson is a HIGH risk move because he is a retard. Simple as that. We are going to bring in Iverson, start him, watch him go 13-35 night in and night out, watch Harrington chuck even worse than ever worried he won't get his shots with Iverson chucking, watch our young kids learn how to be idiots, win no more games than before maybe even less because Iverson is the ULTIMATE play breaker, and we are going to enjoy it?

Screw that. I don't know what we are doing looking at these broken down hasbeens anyway. Did we not just draft Toney Douglas who showed a lot of promise in SL? We want to bench him now so we can watch Allen I-Versus-Em chuck away like a maniac and say stupid **** every day? Just re-sign Marbury while we're at it.

Iverson is not taking this team anywhere good. We will win LESS games and have instant drama all over again. Might as well pay Isiah to come back and play the point for us.

I don't understand what some of you guys are thinking here. Iverson, Jason Williams, Marcus Williams. You want these broken down mental cases on our team? Are you missing the drama of Isiah and Marbury?

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7/31/2009  11:30 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
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This pretty much sums it up. Signing Iverson for one year is a low risk move. If he doesn't fit, he walks next summer. If we sign Sessions, and he proves to be nothing more than a one-year-wonder, we are stuck for 4 years.

We have no pick next year, so why not try to improve this team. And dont fool yourselves into thinking that Iverson is taking away playing time from Douglas who would lose playing time if we signed Sessions or Tinsely anyway. Iverson, if anything adds some interest to the season.

Iverson is a HIGH risk move because he is a retard. Simple as that. We are going to bring in Iverson, start him, watch him go 13-35 night in and night out, watch Harrington chuck even worse than ever worried he won't get his shots with Iverson chucking, watch our young kids learn how to be idiots, win no more games than before maybe even less because Iverson is the ULTIMATE play breaker, and we are going to enjoy it?

Screw that. I don't know what we are doing looking at these broken down hasbeens anyway. Did we not just draft Toney Douglas who showed a lot of promise in SL? We want to bench him now so we can watch Allen I-Versus-Em chuck away like a maniac and say stupid **** every day? Just re-sign Marbury while we're at it.

Iverson is not taking this team anywhere good. We will win LESS games and have instant drama all over again. Might as well pay Isiah to come back and play the point for us.

I don't understand what some of you guys are thinking here. Iverson, Jason Williams, Marcus Williams. You want these broken down mental cases on our team? Are you missing the drama of Isiah and Marbury?

You have to understand that a lot of fans want some excitement. To build team the right way (as Walsh trying to do) is incredibly boring.
Walsh will need to resist Iverson-like deals all the time under pressure of owners, fans, and media. Tuff job he has...




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What I don't understand is how a full MLE deal is more appealing than a one year rental with how this team is structured. Especially when the question regarding Sessions is, "can he do it?" and the question regarding Allen Iverson is, "can he do it again?"

I don't think Allen Iverson is part of the future or a longterm solution but I have no problem rolling the dice on a four-time scoring champion who would be playing for his last contract in the league and giving him the Penny Hardaway treatment if it doesn't work out

Maybe someone can explain to me how that less patient than extending the full MLE to a player who hasn't accomplished anything
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7/31/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

What I don't understand is how a full MLE deal is more appealing than a one year rental with how this team is structured. Especially when the question regarding Sessions is, "can he do it?" and the question regarding Allen Iverson is, "can he do it again?"

I don't think Allen Iverson is part of the future or a longterm solution but I have no problem rolling the dice on a four-time scoring champion who would be playing for his last contract in the league and giving him the Penny Hardaway treatment if it doesn't work out

Maybe someone can explain to me how that less patient than extending the full MLE to a player who hasn't accomplished anything

I look at it like this:

Sessions is a player you absolutely go for if you believe that he can be a core guy, a foundation guy. But I really think Milwaukee matches, even if they plan to later trade him for a SF or something.

Iverson is a player who MIGHT be a risk, but in reality can score 25ppg in this system with his eyes closed. He brings excitement and legitimacy to the team and fills our biggest hole (assuming Duhon can at least play as well as last season).

Duhon
Iverson
Chandler
DLee
Darko

bench: Harrington, Gallo, Hill, Douglas, Hughes

that's a borderline playoff team if Iverson can stay healthy and happy. and D'Antoni is one of the biggest player's coaches of all-time. the question is: can Iverson move the ball? he has before and it's not like he has to share with a guy like Melo who needs the ball in his hands - he just has to find guys who get open via movement.

If we can get Sessions and Donnie and MDA feel he is a foundation guy - go for it. I just don't believe it'd happen, meaning I think Milwaukee matches especially since they shot down S&T talks. BUT, if Sessions is off the table, I really hope Iverson is next on the list. This guy has the heart of a champion. He may try to do it all a little too much, but he's proven over the last 12 years he really CAN do it all. And maybe as a one year rental, he gets these young guys a taste of high level ball and when he leaves they make the leap like the Sixers did after Iverson left.

As of right now, we have NO ONE capable of taking over a game in the last two minutes. Heck, we haven't really had that since Ewing. Iverson can legitimately do that. In this open offense with spacing he would excel. I absolutely believe that. You think he wouldn't want to beat Philly and Detroit every time we play them, too? I know Iverson is a bit of a ball hog - but he's nothing like Marbury or other bad seeds. I truly believe this guy has a giant heart and wants to win games. If you get Sessions, fine, I'm happy. But if not - go get Allen Iverson.
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7/31/2009  2:57 PM
Getting Iverson would allow us to trade Nate as some point during the year. We could use Iverson in Nates role. Iverson can definitely run a team better than Nate and can still score. He might accept being a sixth man. We could then get something of value for Nate, and have someone around who could fulfill his role. Douglas needs some time more than likely (at least with the scoring part).
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7/31/2009  2:58 PM
i think the only way iverson goes anywhere is if he's guaranteed a starting role.
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We really suck and have no league relevance. I like the Idea of a Duhon for Session trade. It's a win win for both teams as the bucs get a little bit of stability.

Iverson is interesting because he does make the team matter again. I still think he can play and I'm sure has an huge chip on his shoulder with the way teams have showed him no respect. For a year I really think it's a win win situation.
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If we want to make playoffs we need a 20pt scorer like Iverson can be.

But he is said to be a bad influence on young players. Plus he and Harrington would probably challenge each other for shot attempts messing up the flow of the offense.

What we really need is Hughes to step his game up.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

If we want to make playoffs we need a 20pt scorer like Iverson can be.

But he is said to be a bad influence on young players. Plus he and Harrington would probably challenge each other for shot attempts messing up the flow of the offense.

What we really need is Hughes to step his game up.

i agree about AI and Harrington being a bad potential pairing. but that really means Harrington is more a problem to me. AI doesn't hang on rims at the end of games, he wins them.

i don't think Hughes is remotely in the plans here.
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11/18/2009  11:10 PM
just saying.

sign iverson.

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11/19/2009  12:25 AM
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no, i guess you guys are right - it's crazy to sign allen iverson.

better to sign jamaal tinsley as our savior and hope he doesn't find a nightclub or a gun in new york city.


If the Knicks sign Jamaal Tinsley instead of Allen Iverson do me a favor and talk me off the ledge
...If you really think that Iverson would be a good fit for this Knicks team I would be more likely to give you a push.

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I am actually much more receptive to looking at Iverson at this point, although I still have doubts about him. At the original time of this thread, I still hoped that the season would not be too terrible to watch.

I would probably hold you back from jumping, now.

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