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7/23/2009  7:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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It's like this...players with similar numbers in similar situations have gotten that 10-12m paycheck. I doubt if Lee truly believes he's worth that much. But he does believe that's what can be gotten; he believes, or his agent does, that the money is out there for a player that put up the numbers Lee did.

Let's not get angry at Lee and assume he is delusional-- it's just how the system works and he's playing it.

Bro I'd agree with you if you had a point but look at what has happened this off season:

Paul Millsap- 13.5 pts, 8.6 rebs, 1.8 asts, 53%.-Got &$8 mil per.
Andre Miller- 16 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.5 asts.-Looking at $6 mil per.
Artest - 17 pts, 5 rebs, 3 asts, lockdown defender-Got 5.8 mil per.
Marion - 13 pts, 8 rebs, a block and one steal, lockdown defender-$8 mil per.
Hedo - 16 pts, 4,5 asts, 5 rebs-Got a little under $11 mil per

Lee -16 pts, 11 rebs, 2 ast- ??? Not worth $12 mil to me.

let's talk about millsap - the guy played with deron williams and had a center in okur that opposing defenses had to guard. lee played with dufus at the point and which other big man? it's quite possible lee averages 20 ppg if he was running the pick and roll with deron. comparing players on different teams with different teammates and different coaches is somewhat trivial.

millsap also played BEHIND booz, was not featured, played in a slow down, "structured" offense and was not getting the rock, played less minutes than lee, is younger, and grittier, and filled in for booz well, AND helped his team to the playoffs
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7/23/2009  7:56 PM
Posted by King1:

I dont like talking basketball with people that dont know much. Wilcox is better than Lee may be your best one. You will let Walsh cry about what Isiah left him but David cant say he is frustrated with the process?

Actually, he can. The thing is tho this is not the Knicks of 2 years ago where contracts were given out like mardi gras(sp) beads. Walsh made it very clear what the plan is and has followed it to the dot so far. For David to say that its been frustrating to try to get Donnie to compromise that plan is really uncool. Considering how well he usually talks to the media(this is not Marbs we are talking about)this new development makes him look like a very desperate biatch.
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7/23/2009  7:57 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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DJ he is not worth 10 mill let alone 12..Everybody knows timing is everything and Lee in this current economy along with the fact that the franchise lacks any kinda franchise player, is not going to hinder the future on a avg player who has not made his team better.

which is why he might sign for the QO - which i think would be a bad thing for the knicks...
why is that bad? i think long term deals in the nba kill the sport and i think lee would go jerome james or eddy curry on us with a 5 year or longer contract
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7/23/2009  7:59 PM
Lee was the focal point of the other team. He got face guarded and they put a guy in the lane to stop the pick and roll and we had no one that could hit a open shot. Millsap was the fourth option at Utah and played with great players. If Varajevo get 6 yrs 50 million and Barnani get 5 yrs 50 million I see that as being about market
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7/23/2009  7:59 PM
Posted by sebstar:
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"Going forward I thought I could still be a big piece of the puzzle -- and it's not as though I'm looking at a max contract, or talking about either me OR LeBron.- oh really? well then, that means that you are being completely and undoubtebly reasonable, David.

damn, dog --- he really said that? That's some pure, uncut, bitch ass whining right there, straight up. Basically, what he is saying is: Feel sorry for me, I'm not asking for 20 milly a year like Lebron --- just 10. Why are the Knicks being so mean?!?!

Man, he's not a pimple on Lebron's ass. How could he use himself and Bron in the same sentence? Thats delusional.

Lee's acting weak as hell right now. I've been a Lee guy for the most part, but this kind of stuff has me questioning and his future as a player I want to root for.

All he means is that in his mind what he is asking the Knicks for does not put the Knicks in a financial bind where they will have to give up their hope of chasing James in 2010 if they decide to give Lee what he is asking for in 2009.

He is not puting himself in any way on a level with James.
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7/23/2009  8:00 PM
Posted by King1:

You claim Lee isnt worth anything but then you want a lot back in a trade. If you think he is garbage then trade him for garbage. He was your best player last year and you wont nine more games with him starting and being a vital part of the offense. If he plays for the Knicks next year you make the playoffs if he doesnt you win 25 games again.

do you have a crystal ball?
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7/23/2009  8:03 PM
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Jul 23, 2009 6:21 PM EST

With the Knicks reserving cap space for the summer of 2010, David Lee is stuck in limbo.

"Going forward I thought I could still be a big piece of the puzzle -- and it's not as though I'm looking at a max contract, or talking about either me OR LeBron. I thought it was something where we could get something done and they'd still have more than enough left over for what they wanted in the future, but apparently there's some disagreement on that -- just on how the Knicks want to move forward. And I think at this point they're not completely sure what they're going to do and how they want to proceed," Lee said.

Given the torrent of trade rumors he's hearing, Lee expects something to happen over the next two months that will keep him from having to accept the Knicks' qualifying offer of slightly less than $3 million, which would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2010.

"I know there's a lot of teams that are interested, and a lot of the teams in sign-and-trades interested in me weren't teams that had cap space going into this summer. But there's still Portland with cap space, and there's still teams very interested in sign-and-trades, and there's still New York figuring out what they want to do."

Lee was asked if he is taking the situation personally.

"I'm not going to go with angry or disrespected, that's not the way we feel," Lee said. "I understand the Knicks have a lot of different factors they're considering. At this point they're looking toward the future and trying to figure out exactly what they want to do, and possibly even confused about what they want to do. I don't know that they're 100 percent sure right now, just from what Donnie is saying, that they 100 percent know what direction they want to go in. You've seen that with the different guys [Jason Kidd and Grant Hill] they've been trying to get, and they haven't gotten them.

"It's no fun right now because it's the next five to six years of my life, but it should be fun to see what does come out of this."
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7/23/2009  8:13 PM
not crystal ones just big ones. If you think you can win with Jordan Hill and Al Harrington inside you have lost your mind. I am not saying Lee is great but he deserves more than Millsap. Everything will work out I am not worried about this hopefully he is with the Knicks and when they sign Lebron next year and Joe Johnson to a MLE and Dirk to a LLE he will be a part of the summer of George I mean the summer of 2010
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7/23/2009  8:19 PM
Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo. I was never a huge fan of Lee but I can't really get mad at him for wanting to be paid a fair amount.
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7/23/2009  8:22 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo.

What is amazing to me is how for many "fans" David Lee was always a piece of dog poo. Now those same people are just piling on.

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7/23/2009  8:26 PM
From Andrew Marchand's twitter:


"David Lee talked to different outlets today. He is "frustrated." I think he is trying to get Knick fans to put pressure on the Knicks."

Interesting take on Lee's comments. Might be time for those of you with Twitter accounts to rise up in support.
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7/23/2009  8:27 PM
Posted by King1:

not crystal ones just big ones. If you think you can win with Jordan Hill and Al Harrington inside you have lost your mind. I am not saying Lee is great but he deserves more than Millsap. Everything will work out I am not worried about this hopefully he is with the Knicks and when they sign Lebron next year and Joe Johnson to a MLE and Dirk to a LLE he will be a part of the summer of George I mean the summer of 2010

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7/23/2009  8:28 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by bitty41:

Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo.

What is amazing to me is how for many "fans" David Lee was always a piece of dog poo. Now those same people are just piling on.

I never loved Lee, always thought he was a good hustle 7th or 8th man on a winning team. This is nothing new.
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7/23/2009  8:29 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

From Andrew Marchand's twitter:


"David Lee talked to different outlets today. He is "frustrated." I think he is trying to get Knick fans to put pressure on the Knicks."

Interesting take on Lee's comments. Might be time for those of you with Twitter accounts to rise up in support.

I think most have risen up in support of Walsh's patience. The only thing Lee can get from any teams that appear interested in him is the MLE. And that would be PERFECT because then we'd match and we'd have him on an inexpensive long-term contract.
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7/23/2009  8:30 PM
Posted by King1:

not crystal ones just big ones. If you think you can win with Jordan Hill and Al Harrington inside you have lost your mind. I am not saying Lee is great but he deserves more than Millsap. Everything will work out I am not worried about this hopefully he is with the Knicks and when they sign Lebron next year and Joe Johnson to a MLE and Dirk to a LLE he will be a part of the summer of George I mean the summer of 2010
you said he'd basically take the knicks to the playoffs this year if he stayed with the team..?
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7/23/2009  8:30 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
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"Going forward I thought I could still be a big piece of the puzzle -- and it's not as though I'm looking at a max contract, or talking about either me OR LeBron.- oh really? well then, that means that you are being completely and undoubtebly reasonable, David.

damn, dog --- he really said that? That's some pure, uncut, bitch ass whining right there, straight up. Basically, what he is saying is: Feel sorry for me, I'm not asking for 20 milly a year like Lebron --- just 10. Why are the Knicks being so mean?!?!

Man, he's not a pimple on Lebron's ass. How could he use himself and Bron in the same sentence? Thats delusional.

Lee's acting weak as hell right now. I've been a Lee guy for the most part, but this kind of stuff has me questioning and his future as a player I want to root for.

All he means is that in his mind what he is asking the Knicks for does not put the Knicks in a financial bind where they will have to give up their hope of chasing James in 2010 if they decide to give Lee what he is asking for in 2009.

He is not puting himself in any way on a level with James.

I got exactly what he was trying to do. In essence he was trying to frame the debate by using the specter or Lebron. "Well, I'm not asking for a max deal, I'm just asking for..." He did it to make his deal seem reasonable in contrast to what superstars are making. Why not talk about Millsap, or a player close to his level? Why should Lebron's name come out of his mouth? Lebron's business is his business --- to use his name publicly like that is a whole 'nother level of bitchassness.
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7/23/2009  8:32 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo. I was never a huge fan of Lee but I can't really get mad at him for wanting to be paid a fair amount.

Bitty, stop trying to push this agenda. Nobody is saying he shouldnt ask for whatever he wants, but we arent allowed to call him out on his obvious whining?
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Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by bitty41:

Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo.

What is amazing to me is how for many "fans" David Lee was always a piece of dog poo. Now those same people are just piling on.

I never loved Lee, always thought he was a good hustle 7th or 8th man on a winning team. This is nothing new.

But he's the best player on this team right now and tin men like Larry Hughes are making serious money so David Lee should what ask for less because that's the nice thing to do?
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7/23/2009  8:34 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by bitty41:

Knick fans are really fickle David Lee was among the so-called good guys in a crappy organization. Now that he's dared to even ask for money that might compromise 2010 FA he's a piece of dog poo.

What is amazing to me is how for many "fans" David Lee was always a piece of dog poo. Now those same people are just piling on.

I never loved Lee, always thought he was a good hustle 7th or 8th man on a winning team. This is nothing new.

But he's the best player on this team right now and tin men like Larry Hughes are making serious money so David Lee should what ask for less because that's the nice thing to do?

So we should pay him more because some fool decided to pay Larry Hughes. This is Isiah-style thinking.
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7/23/2009  8:35 PM
It is so funny how Lee stats are so inflated and overrated. So your best player in a real system Chandler would average about 10 points a game. You have convinced me Lee sucks and you should trade him for absolutely nothing.
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