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Posted by djsunyc:

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Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

since you keep bringing up championship, walsh's plan of signing a free agent to lead to one happened once over the past 30+ years...shaq signing w/ the lakers. but you could argue that it had as much to do with drafting kobe. outside of that, name the last championship by a team that signed their best player via free agency?

here's where you're consistently wrong in analyzing Walsh's plan... u repeat this mistake in every discussion on the 2010 issue... Walsh's plan is NOT to sign a FA to lead us to a championship... his plan is to attain a FRANCHISE STUD to lead us to a championship... in order to do that, he's trying to free up cap space, acquire young assets & expiring contracts to give him options to try & pursue one... free agency is merely 1 of his options at his disposal... he's consistently said that he'd nix the 2010 plan if the right player became available in a trade... players like Zach freakin' Randolph & Vince Carter are obviously not on that list.

lol...ok name the last team that won a championship who's best player was acquired via trade?

Difficult to say who the best player was in Detroit but Rasheed was acquired via trade, so was Rip, and Chauncey was a free-agent.

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

since you keep bringing up championship, walsh's plan of signing a free agent to lead to one happened once over the past 30+ years...shaq signing w/ the lakers. but you could argue that it had as much to do with drafting kobe. outside of that, name the last championship by a team that signed their best player via free agency?

here's where you're consistently wrong in analyzing Walsh's plan... u repeat this mistake in every discussion on the 2010 issue... Walsh's plan is NOT to sign a FA to lead us to a championship... his plan is to attain a FRANCHISE STUD to lead us to a championship... in order to do that, he's trying to free up cap space, acquire young assets & expiring contracts to give him options to try & pursue one... free agency is merely 1 of his options at his disposal... he's consistently said that he'd nix the 2010 plan if the right player became available in a trade... players like Zach freakin' Randolph & Vince Carter are obviously not on that list.

lol...ok name the last team that won a championship who's best player was acquired via trade?

boston and kevin garnett?

There's no set formula for winning a championship.

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Posted by kam77:

The NBA is just like the playground. If your team has the best player around, you're staying on the court all day.

It's not like that in other major sports. There's much more emphasis on a complete team. In the NBA if you have Batman and Robin, or a Big Three, you're a serious contender regardless of the rest of the roster.

If so few great players control the destiny of NBA franchises and player movement is rare... then you have the NBA.

I agree. That's why I think Walsh is right for securing the possibility of signing one of those great players. I mean, we're not just talking about cap space. We're talking about cap space during the hugest free agency period in recent memory.

nothing wrong with walsh's plan for all-in 2010. i just question if it was necessary b/c what if he doesn't get his guy in 2010, then what? is he going to sign his 4th choice like he's rumored to be doing with sessions?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-22-2009 10:19 AM]

Then what? Then you are in the same position you should have been in anyway. Cap space, young players, vets with short contracts. We keep acting as if Lebron doesn't sign then we are doomed, yet at the same time we all seem to realize we had to clean out the roster anyway. Getting a shot at the Lebron types is just a bonus.

that's cool...but my whole premise is that the team could've been in the same position in 2011 but actually winning a bunch of games and advancing in the playoffs w/ d'antoni at coach.