I tease the old guy a lot but he has done a decent job. I don't care for his choice of coach and his draft pick last year. I blame the organization overrall for sleeping on the draft last year. The new coach said he didn't have much input into the process because he just got hired. Kevin Wilson and Grunwald take the hit as far as I am concern if Gallinari doesn't turn out to be a real player. Walsh to a lesser degree although he should have been ready. He seem to realize later in the season that he may have made a mistake on passing up Anthony Randolph with interest in him. I like what he did with the draft pick this year in getting Hill a top 4 pick IMO and Douglas a mid round pick IMO. Those picks seem more in character with Walsh. I rather have Douglas over Collison. He got rid of Crawford and Z-Bo contracts when everyone called them toxic without giving up the so called pick to go with it. The summer of 2010 is the time to judge him. I disagree though about 2011 because by that time the owner and fanbase will have already come to a conclusion about his potential to land the superstar and he will be basically 3 years in already. He naps a lot but that is to be expected at his advance age. If he can't land the superstar then you will have to start taking a harder look at his draft picks because those are the starting points on rebuilding a team. This isn't a small market town where you get so many years to try different stuff.

I still say Gallinari can be a good pick, but it's understandable that people fight it. We're just going to have to wait and see b/c at this point, nobody is right yet. We're going to have to see him on the court for a full season.

I'm with you though that we should have picked Anthony Randolph.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'll give Donnie a D-, not an F because he brought in a credible coach.

He didn't take a shot at trading up for Mayor or Westbrook.

He put us on a one way train to 2010, and now it looks like that plan is shot.

He also ***** footed around the 2010 issue when he let the 2009 trade deadline pass without packaging Nate or Lee to get rid of Jeffries or Curry or to bring long term talent back.

This offseason you see Portland, Dallas, Phoenix, Toronto, Orlando all out maneuvering the Knicks.

Now the best we're possibly going to be left with is to have Lee and Nate sign their qualifying offers. That would be a serious lucky break for Walsh because he might get a do-over on the Lee and Nate trades.

Its sad watching Jason Kidd and Grant Hill use Walsh to get bigger deals for themselves.

I get the reaction, but you come in as GM to an bad situation, whiff on a draft, put the team on a pipe dream 2010 quest, whiff on a trade deadline, and whiff on an offseason and what am I supposed to say?

Donnie has emberassed himself in my opinion.

I wrote the same thing at the trade deadline when he choked and didn't do the Jeffries/Nate deal.

I expect to write the same thing again when he whiffs at this year's deadline, and when he's sitting there in 2010 explaining why the Knicks are sitting there with 20 million in cap room and no players.

are you not noticing that all of the teams you list are either better than the knicks, by far, or have talent that is valued in general far more than what the knicks have. so, toronto has bosh, compared to who on the knicks?

you ask for the deals that we could have made at the last deadline, but weren't all those deals focused on getting under the cap?

so instead of going for lebron, wade, bosh, amare, etc. you wanted to get us under the cap for this off-season and use cap space to sign guys like hedo, milsap, gordon, hill, kidd?

that was how we should use cap space? that's the core of a top team?

seriously, what would you suggest walsh do with the hand he was delt and the realities of the nba's cba + teams that don't seem to even want to win, and instead need to stay under the cap...which means the knicks with all of their bloated contracts would have to constantly give away something of value get rid of our bad contracts. that is either talent, which only talent heavy teams, not like the knicks, can afford to do, like say portland...or give teams some financial relief in some way, often ending deals, cash, swaping similarly matched cheaper deals for the other team. this is exactly what walsh has been doing to get rid of the bad contracts, except giving up much talent, other than balkman.

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-11-2009 10:34 AM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I tease the old guy a lot but he has done a decent job. I don't care for his choice of coach and his draft pick last year. I blame the organization overrall for sleeping on the draft last year. The new coach said he didn't have much input into the process because he just got hired. Kevin Wilson and Grunwald take the hit as far as I am concern if Gallinari doesn't turn out to be a real player. Walsh to a lesser degree although he should have been ready. He seem to realize later in the season that he may have made a mistake on passing up Anthony Randolph with interest in him. I like what he did with the draft pick this year in getting Hill a top 4 pick IMO and Douglas a mid round pick IMO. Those picks seem more in character with Walsh. I rather have Douglas over Collison. He got rid of Crawford and Z-Bo contracts when everyone called them toxic without giving up the so called pick to go with it. The summer of 2010 is the time to judge him. I disagree though about 2011 because by that time the owner and fanbase will have already come to a conclusion about his potential to land the superstar and he will be basically 3 years in already. He naps a lot but that is to be expected at his advance age. If he can't land the superstar then you will have to start taking a harder look at his draft picks because those are the starting points on rebuilding a team. This isn't a small market town where you get so many years to try different stuff.

Who are you and what have you done with Pharzeone?

Ha, I was one of the few posters who was giving Walsh props on draft night when guys were creaming in their pants to trade for Rubio and Curry by giving teams everything they want. I don't wait for the popular vote to sway. I call it like I see it.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 07-11-2009 10:34 AM]

Most call it like they see it. It's just the way you saw things was/is ****ed up.

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'll give Donnie a D-, not an F because he brought in a credible coach.

He didn't take a shot at trading up for Mayor or Westbrook.

He put us on a one way train to 2010, and now it looks like that plan is shot.

He also ***** footed around the 2010 issue when he let the 2009 trade deadline pass without packaging Nate or Lee to get rid of Jeffries or Curry or to bring long term talent back.

This offseason you see Portland, Dallas, Phoenix, Toronto, Orlando all out maneuvering the Knicks.

Now the best we're possibly going to be left with is to have Lee and Nate sign their qualifying offers. That would be a serious lucky break for Walsh because he might get a do-over on the Lee and Nate trades.

Its sad watching Jason Kidd and Grant Hill use Walsh to get bigger deals for themselves.

I get the reaction, but you come in as GM to an bad situation, whiff on a draft, put the team on a pipe dream 2010 quest, whiff on a trade deadline, and whiff on an offseason and what am I supposed to say?

Donnie has emberassed himself in my opinion.

I wrote the same thing at the trade deadline when he choked and didn't do the Jeffries/Nate deal.

I expect to write the same thing again when he whiffs at this year's deadline, and when he's sitting there in 2010 explaining why the Knicks are sitting there with 20 million in cap room and no players.

are you not noticing that all of the teams you list are either better than the knicks, by far, or have talent that is valued in general far more than what the knicks have. so, toronto has bosh, compared to who on the knicks?

you ask for the deals that we could have made at the last deadline, but weren't all those deals focused on getting under the cap?

so instead of going for lebron, wade, bosh, amare, etc. you wanted to get us under the cap for this off-season and use cap space to sign guys like hedo, milsap, gordon, hill, kidd?

that was how we should use cap space? that's the core of a top team?

seriously, what would you suggest walsh do with the hand he was delt and the realities of the nba's cba + teams that don't seem to even want to win, and instead need to stay under the cap...which means the knicks with all of their bloated contracts would have to constantly give away something of value get rid of our bad contracts. that is either talent, which only talent heavy teams, not like the knicks, can afford to do, like say portland...or give teams some financial relief in some way, often ending deals, cash, swaping similarly matched cheaper deals for the other team. this is exactly what walsh has been doing to get rid of the bad contracts, except giving up much talent, other than balkman.

[Edited by - PresIke on 07-11-2009 10:34 AM]

I think you miss the point Ike. Because we don't have the room to sign two major free agents, we won't be able to sign any major free agents. What are the obstacles to that? Jeffries and Curry. What didn't Donnie do last year? He failed to execute the Nate/Jeffries to Sacto deal. That was a choke job. Simple as that.

Look at RealGM today. Detroit is looking to clear Afflalo for just cap room. Why is Denver in on that and we're not? When are we going to use that Mobley deal? Are we going to just let that one go by the wayside just like we have with all of our other assets?

If 2011 is the plan, fine, great, use that to your advantage since everyone else is on the 2010 plan.

I just see us losing a chess match against the power players in the league. If we can't out maneuver Toronto, New Jersey and Philly then were are we going to end up? Last place... fun stuff.