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nyk4ever
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6/30/2009  11:21 PM
Posted by King1:

Not being naive he didnt say that. If David stats were inflated how can you get excited about Wilson inflated stat. Lee averasged a double-double in a different offense. He is the only guy on the team that can play offense efficient. NYK did improve 9 games with him starting. He is asking for market value like anyone else would. If you think that Hill can average 16-12 next year knick fans have lost thier mind

The Knicks improved 9 games because Mike D'Antoni took over, not because David Lee began starting.
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Bonn1997
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6/30/2009  11:23 PM
If David stats were inflated how can you get excited about Wilson inflated stat.
Not really excited about Wilson. He's got a long way to go before being a good starter.
If you think that Hill can average 16-12 next year knick fans have lost thier mind
Please tell us who said Hill would do that?
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6/30/2009  11:25 PM
um, lee sucks. you guys can eat it.

seriously, walsh should have traded him and curry early in the season, PERIOD, since he is most likely NOT getting re-signed. We should have gotten several draft picks stockpiled up. Oh well.
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6/30/2009  11:29 PM
I don't know what more Walsh could have done other than to shop Lee and make trades that the other team agrees to. If Lee was gonna veto trades and turn down any offer we gave him, there was nothing Walsh could have done.
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6/30/2009  11:30 PM
Plus, you guys say all this nonsense about sticking to a plan, 2010 cap space is the plan, DLEE be damned. As one GM said one year, if you do not win the championship that year, YOU ARE REBUILDING. Is D. Lee really any better than Andy V from the cavs? nope. Is he a piece that can really shut down a gasol, bynum, or d. ho in the playoffs? Nope. I know d.lee scored a bunch of points versus orlandough earlier this year, and the knicks won, but would they in a series because of D Lee? Nope. Guy is a hustle player. As IT once said, if dude was black, he'd just be another player (I know that was about bird, but it applies to D. Lee too). See ya david!
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6/30/2009  11:32 PM
Yeah, I agree with Bonn, seriously - Walsh tried trading DLee last year to memphis for Mayo, but Dlee balked and said he'd never re-sign there, and the board wanted to pitchfork him. Lee, enjoy Memphis, as Gasol said, the only city with just three stop lights (to get to the arena). Peace bro-ham!
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6/30/2009  11:41 PM
Worst case scenario--if all other 2010 plans fall apart, at least we can just overpay Boozer and he'll come here and we'll have a slightly better version of Lee anyway. Or we can always sign Zach to a max contract the next year.
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6/30/2009  11:58 PM
So let me get this straight the Knicks won 9 more games because MDA was the coach. Lee stats were inflated because of MDA but Lee being a bad defensive player and the Knicks being gross is the players fault and not MDA. There is a reason why MDA didnt win in Phoenix
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7/1/2009  12:02 AM
i am willing to bet MEM was not the only team interested in trading for D Lee... there's just no excusing this if he walks for nothing, it was a blunder on Walsh's part, period.
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7/1/2009  12:02 AM
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/1/2009  12:05 AM
The Memphis deal from last year came to my mind as well. Starting to question the validity of the rumor.

First off, I love Lee. NYers either overrate their players or vastly underrate them, and Lee's been on both sides of it. If you can sign him for 8 mil per, I would love to see him back next year - and I agree it would suck to see David walk without getting anything in return.

That said, I think nyk already said this, but even if Lee does walk away, it may have been worth the gamble of not resigning him earlier. 16/12 are serious numbers, but yes I do think the system has a slight inflammatory effect. We all knew the man was a monster off the boards, and maybe those numbers don't seem AS impressive after getting used to it over the past few years, but he has seemed like he was willing to sacrifice on any attempt at helping on defense to make sure his man was boxed out and he could get the board. Hill definitely helps fill the void if Lee walks, and we will be ok without him.

I'd love to keep David or sign and trade him, but if nothing else, I can at least appreciate the fact that Walsh has a plan and he's sticking to it.
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7/1/2009  12:07 AM
Posted by McK1:


Heh, the clip I was more leaning towards was



[Edited by - matt4281 on 07-01-2009 12:07 AM]
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7/1/2009  12:10 AM
That said, I think nyk already said this, but even if Lee does walk away, it may have been worth the gamble of not resigning him earlier.

i agree it may have been worth the gamble of no re-signing him earlier, but still doesn't excuse the fact that we could have & should have traded him for value at the deadline last year... if losing D Lee via free agency was an acceptable outcome factored into Walsh's plan then it was a highly flawed plan IMHO... we should have gotten back a future pick at the absolute minimum.
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7/1/2009  12:21 AM
I'm ok losing Lee for nothing. I appreciate that a line has been drawn and its firm and there is no plan to overpay.

To give him $10mm is to tie up a significant portion of the cap to a player who, while really good, is not great.

I'm tired of complaining about guys getting overpaid. If we lose Lee because he got too large of an offer, then good luck and we held our ground.
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7/1/2009  12:24 AM
I got a question. If we were able to trade Lee at the deadline, just to name a team say the Nets. Would the Nets retain his rights. Meaning that when he became a free agent, the Nets would have been able to match any offer sheet. Or would Lee automatically become a unrestricted free agent?
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7/1/2009  12:24 AM
I do wonder what offers were out there for Lee and if the warning to Memphis last year scared away any possible suitors. I'm not using this as an excuse or suggesting there weren't offers available, just thinking out loud here.

TMS, I absolutely agree that losing Lee for nothing would be a mistake, but I'm not fearing our position too much as of yet. I'm not convinced a team (that Lee actually wants to go to) will make an offer to far out of Walsh's price range. Even then, there's still ample amount of time to work a sign and trade. I guess we'll find out very soon.
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7/1/2009  12:25 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I will tell you what is asinine--believing that Jordan Hill is going to walk in and put up 16-12 in year 1. Have your wet dream there boys. If you don't believe what Im saying go find a tape of AZ last game of the season. Im not saying Jordan Hill is a bad pick but to suggest he is going to be a to be a 17-10 player out of the gate is not likely at all

Once David Lee leaves an in shape Curry becomes the best post player and that is not likely that he will be in shape. Face it David Lee is a fundamental foundation player of a team. He is no star but he is a rock a guy who surrounded by the right players can help a team win. Is it David Lee's fault that we acquire sht players to go around him? Nope Good luck Lee I will be rooting for you as a pure Knick fan who understands what you bring.

If we lose David Lee for nothing--I will begin to utter get Walsh out of here chants because that is NOT an acceptable outcome. You don't give players like David Lee away--hes a Knick for crying outloud.

Letting Lee walk for nothing will be awful. He wants to stay. I'm willing to bet he would give us a hometown discount. We need to do what we can, despite what his snarling agent says.

Let me ask you this. How bad do we look if we let Lee walk, and then soon after, we trade Curry for T-Mac. The reason people here don't want Lee is b/c of Curry.

That would be funny sheot.
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7/1/2009  12:27 AM
Posted by TMS:
That said, I think nyk already said this, but even if Lee does walk away, it may have been worth the gamble of not resigning him earlier.

i agree it may have been worth the gamble of no re-signing him earlier, but still doesn't excuse the fact that we could have & should have traded him for value at the deadline last year... if losing D Lee via free agency was an acceptable outcome factored into Walsh's plan then it was a highly flawed plan IMHO... we should have gotten back a future pick at the absolute minimum.
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7/1/2009  12:31 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:


Let me ask you this. How bad do we look if we let Lee walk, and then soon after, we trade Curry for T-Mac. The reason people here don't want Lee is b/c of Curry.

Giving us room for 2 max FA's and a guy like Nash? I'd survive.
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7/1/2009  12:34 AM
If the Knicks let Lee walk I guarantee they are getting Lebron.

If he walks I'll believe it when I see it. I don't see a way where a team offers him so much that he leaves NYK
Bye Lee

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