Posted by EwingsGlass:

I put Amare Stoudemire and Jordan Hill's combine athleticism test results side by side. Amare is slightly smaller in stature, but has longer arms. All of the other categories seem to favor Amare. I think the biggest difference between the two is the lane agility. Hill may have simply had a bad run on the lane agility test, it seems like such a wide aberration from his other stats. I am sure the Knicks checked this when they worked him out.

                      Amare      Hill 
Height w/o Shoes      6' 8.5"    6' 9.25"
Height w/shoes        6' 10"     6' 10.25"
Weight                233        232 
Wingspan              7' 1.75"   7' 1.5"
Standing Reach        9' 0.5"    9' 0"
No Step Vert          32.0"      31.0" 
Max Vert              35.5"      35.0"
Bench Press           12         11
Lane Agility          11.19      12.23
3/4 Court Sprint      3.25       3.30

conclusion? jordan gotta get some of amare's shoes.

Posted by TMS:

but i thought the Cap hold prevents u from doing so?

Posted by TMS:

i still don't see the distinction here... can we go over the cap to sign Lee & Nate or can't we in 2010 after we use up our cap space to sign a max FA?

Posted by EwingsGlass:

I put Amare Stoudemire and Jordan Hill's combine athleticism test results side by side. Amare is slightly smaller in stature, but has longer arms. All of the other categories seem to favor Amare. I think the biggest difference between the two is the lane agility. Hill may have simply had a bad run on the lane agility test, it seems like such a wide aberration from his other stats. I am sure the Knicks checked this when they worked him out.

                      Amare      Hill 
Height w/o Shoes      6' 8.5"    6' 9.25"
Height w/shoes        6' 10"     6' 10.25"
Weight                233        232 
Wingspan              7' 1.75"   7' 1.5"
Standing Reach        9' 0.5"    9' 0"
No Step Vert          32.0"      31.0" 
Max Vert              35.5"      35.0"
Bench Press           12         11
Lane Agility          11.19      12.23
3/4 Court Sprint      3.25       3.30

the lane agility thing is amare's other-worldly quickness and explosion. hill doesn't come close to that.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Andrew:

TMS, this a hypothetical example to help explain.

Salary cap is 65M.

Team contracts is 40M.

Lee and Nate have cap holds that total 10M.

So, the cap space to sign a FA from another team would be 65 - 40 - 10 = 15M.

After signing a player or players for 15M I believe the Knicks would be able to resign Nate and Lee and exceed the 65M salary cap.

29. Can a team sign all the free agents it wants (up to the cap limit) and THEN re-sign its own free agents using the Bird exception?

Yes, but there's a restriction. A team's free agents continue to count as team salary (against the salary cap). This charge is called the "free agent amount." So there may not be enough money under the cap to sign another team's free agent, because the team's own free agents are taking up all their cap room.

31. Why do free agents continue to count against a team's cap?

It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It doesn't close this loophole completely -- for example, in 2005 Michael Redd's free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.

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