Posted by jimimou:

Posted by nyk4ever:

The more I think about it, the more I am liking the pick of Curry at 8. I think another advantage for him is the fact that he's a very headstrong kid and the big lights and the city won't phase him for a second. Of course I share some of the same worries that Des does, with his ability to play the PG, but from what I saw last year, I think he's going to catch on - he'll never be a pure PG, but he'll be much better than a combo-guard playing PG.

I'm officially down with Curry at 8.

factorial? i canot disagree. the kid's got upsidee, just wish he had a few more inches (in height fellas - get your minds out of the gutter) on him. did we ever settle the 6' vs 6'3" thing? all we kow, he can be 5'9" like nate....oh wait, nate's 5'7"....

Everywhere I look says he's 6'3 but i'm sure the pre-draft camps will be the ultimate decider on that...

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.... The "potential" tag entices a lot of internet fans, and the fact that both derozan and evans are freshman raises the level of intrigue more, I am sure. I just want a guy who can play ball, not just an athlete but a guy who can play with and make other guys better.

Posted by PresIke:

jw, but the bulls have ben gordon and kirk hinrich.

the knicks shooting guards and sfs are just too inconsistent from the outside.

the knicks have ZERO good shooters from the outside. you all know the roster.

nate is the best we have.

otherwise it's even more inconsistent city with hughes, chandler, and al.

we need outside shooting quite badly. and if by some miracle eddy curry manages to contribute a little and can actually pass out of a double (he could draw)...okay i'm not keeping my hopes up, but he will get his chance next year since we need to have him up his value...steph curry will be a lethal threat. the curry combo will also be useful because steph can get eddy the ball in places he can be very tough to stop. remember how terrible steph and our other guards were at getting the ball to our post players?

also, i'm not sure we'll lose both nate and lee without getting something in return.

btw, my first pick for #8 is jennings, but if he's gone, i'm probably taking curry, depending on who else is there.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-11-2009 1:30 PM]

I hear you, but this franchise hopes that they have perimeter shooters at the 2,3,4 - center will be a complete scramble, so if you don't select Evans/Jennings/Holiday in this draft then you are friggin' nuts to me.

If you're running a spread offense with Chandler, Gallo and Jr. Harrington on the wing most nights and fill in the blank at center, then what is the point of Curry? Are we picking someone on purpose for the rest of the league's points to run over?

Posted by McK1:

don't mind the pic at 8 at all

the guy, if nothing else, ain't neva scared

Now I really dont want him on the Knicks. Why is he rapping like its 1984 with his 'Hotel, Motel, Holiday Inn' style.

Letting those geeks and nerds defecate all over him. No swag. Thumbs down.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.... The "potential" tag entices a lot of internet fans, and the fact that both derozan and evans are freshman raises the level of intrigue more, I am sure. I just want a guy who can play ball, not just an athlete but a guy who can play with and make other guys better.

speaking for myself, i want a guy who i think can blossom into a star... i could care less about "instant results"... if it takes 3 years for a kid to develop into one, so be it... the best chance this franchise has of winning championships is by drafting kids w/franchise calibre potential... IMO Stephen Curry is not a kid who i would classify as having that type of potential... i think he's gonna be good but we need a stud to build around, & personally i feel that Derozan has that type of potential in him... IMO too many of y'all, including our own ownership, are obsessed with making the playoffs next year because we don't own our lottery pick & so are afraid to take a flyer on a kid who may take some time to develop into a star... losing a lottery pick makes no difference guys, we don't own the pick anyways... how can u lose something that u don't even own? doesn't make sense now does it?... we shouldn't even be caring about next year's pick at all... the SOLE focus should be on trying to land a franchise stud to build around... free agency in 2010 is already 1 of the main focuses, but we should always look to the draft also, because u have a better chance of drafting & grooming 1 of your own than you have of landing an already established one via free agency... if all this makes me an internet fan or whatever u wanna label it, so be it... we don't all have to like the same prospects.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-11-2009 2:23 PM]

a guy good enough for Lebron to take time out to go see play live is being poo-poo'ed here because there are guys in this draft with multiple tattoos whom can also walk from the baseline to halfcourt and back on their hands.

SMH

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by VDesai:

Yes but playing PG in the NBA is a lot different than playing PG for 1 year at Davidson where you're the only good player. His top skill and most NBA ready skill is shooting and he'll have to adjust to being more of a floor general and playing PG at the speed of the NBA rather than the Southern Conference against teams like Wofford and Elon. Davidson has been competetive with a lot of top notch teams, but that is still a major adjustment in game speed. He certainly has a good chance of doing it, but it is very much not a slam dunk- and that has to be taken into account in his valuation.

straight up, this still doesn't make sense to me...

if he had a pretty high assist total and was a PG on a bad team where he was the only good player why would that be a knock on him? if anything it shows that he made the team THAT much better because of his abilities to score and pass.

i'm not saying his whole game is ready to be pg, but the fact that bobby knight and others have raved about his passing ability and court vision amongst the best in the ncaa's why would this be dismissed so easily...

again because we know him as a shooter.

bobby knight starts off his commentary with this response to those who know him as a shooter and not as a passer.

i'm not saying it's a slam dunk either, but at 8 in this draft he's a pretty darn good pick for the knicks.

i will go on record again saying nor do i, nor the knicks (i suspect) have much interest in UK poster favs DeRonzan and Evans.

These guys are RAWER ATHLETES, which seems to be a popular obsession with internet b-ball fans, but they just not ready to help the Knicks next year much...who need INSTANT help next year to be competitive (as that is their goal...which makes sense from my perspective). the knicks want BASKETBALL PLAYERS, not ATHLETES.

wasn't that the big knock on isiah from some fans, that all he cared about was getting "younger and more athletic" which seemed sensible when the knicks had the slowest, oldest, most boring team in the nba. but the knicks don't have the luxury of waiting 3 years to see if DeRonzan and Evans can develop their games. Curry is ready, even if he has some potential shortcomings. his high b-ball iq, court vision/passing ability, leadership, maturity, and ice water jumper with crazy range are desperately needed on the knicks.

I agree, especially with the part in bold.... The "potential" tag entices a lot of internet fans, and the fact that both derozan and evans are freshman raises the level of intrigue more, I am sure. I just want a guy who can play ball, not just an athlete but a guy who can play with and make other guys better.

speaking for myself, i want a guy who i think can blossom into a star... i could care less about "instant results"... if it takes 3 years for a kid to develop into one, so be it... the best chance this franchise has of winning championships is by drafting kids w/franchise calibre potential... IMO Stephen Curry is not a kid who i would classify as having that type of potential... i think he's gonna be good but we need a stud to build around, & personally i feel that Derozan has that type of potential in him... IMO too many of y'all, including our own ownership, are obsessed with making the playoffs next year because we don't own our lottery pick & so are afraid to take a flyer on a kid who may take some time to develop into a star... losing a lottery pick makes no difference guys, we don't own the pick anyways... how can u lose something that u don't even own? doesn't make sense now does it?... we shouldn't even be caring about next year's pick at all... the SOLE focus should be on trying to land a franchise stud to build around... free agency in 2010 is already 1 of the main focuses, but we should always look to the draft also, because u have a better chance of drafting & grooming 1 of your own than you have of landing an already established one via free agency... if all this makes me an internet fan or whatever u wanna label it, so be it... we don't all have to like the same prospects.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-11-2009 2:23 PM]

I understand what you are saying 100%, but not every draft has a franchise talent in it, so the mistake I don't want to make is to take a flier on a kid with a load of potential and he ends up being another gerald green.. more than anything we need talent.. so what if curry becomes just a very good player.. add that with gallo, chandler, lee and a top tier FA and we have something... more than anything we can't waste this pick.. I like derozan, but there is something about the underclassmen this year that really scare me..

And TMS.. I don't even disagree with you really. You know I like DeRozan, but I am kinda scared by him (and other underclassman) for that matter about whether or not they will become the players we think they can. I think DeRozan will be and should be a lotto pick, but I don't think that our franchise can take that risk on him.

To be honest, I really think Curry is going to be the real deal in the NBA, but that's just me.

Whatever franchise drafts Curry will be smiling ear to ear in a couple years when that ability to put a team on his back leads them deep into the play-offs.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Curry is a shooting guard in a point guard body. Any team drafting him thinking they will convert him into one is just in denial. Just like Eddie House and Luther Head before him. Great shooter with not enough athlethicism and size to have a serious impact on the next level. You can have all the BB IQ in the world but that doesn't get you into a NBA game. Most high BB IQ for some reason or another just become bench guys. Why because they lack certain physical attributes that are necessary to compete on the next level.

I don't like the luther head and eddie house comparisons.. None of those guys carried their programs like this kid did... Curry went to Davidson.. I mean honestly, how many of you knew they even had a basketball program? And this kid took them deep into the NCAA tourney.... He just isn't good, he is prolific... to be honest.... Beasley and durant didn't even have a run like this kid had in the tourney....curry literally had teams shaking in their shoes,and his team had no other option... that is just special. Luther head and eddie house didn't come close to this kid at any time...

I guess I'm one of the few people not on the Curry bandwagon. I disagree that he could play the one for a significant stretch in the NBA, because of his scoring mentality. He's too much of a tweener imo to justify taking him at 8, because I don't think he'll find many scoring opportunities in the NBA outside of spot up jump shots. I'd project him to be an effective bench player in the NBA, like Nate Robinson, or at best Jason Terry.