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4/19/2009  1:04 AM
if lebron wants to be the most famous athlete on earth, he'll sign with the knicks. it's as easy as that. he becomes the face of the NBA. lebron is good enough that you can get 3 mopes with J's and a guy who can go grab boards and you'll win 50 games -- the cavs are as good as they are because of lebron. its not like mo williams, delonte west, and wally can't be duplicated.

i think it would pass shaq to LAL, though maybe it's just this decade's such an event. it would be huge, nonetheless, for the knicks, the league, and the game itself -- and lebron most of all!
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4/19/2009  6:02 AM
its not like mo williams, delonte west, and wally can't be duplicated.
I think that is a brilliant way of putting for all the people who think he wouldn't leaving a winning team
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4/19/2009  2:28 PM
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its not like mo williams, delonte west, and wally can't be duplicated.
I think that is a brilliant way of putting for all the people who think he wouldn't leaving a winning team

Brilliant, but a little optimistic too.
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Posted by BigSm00th:

if lebron wants to be the most famous athlete on earth, he'll sign with the knicks. it's as easy as that. he becomes the face of the NBA.

Really? I thought he was already one of the most famous athletes. They seem to even know who he was in China last summer. The guy is selling sneakers, soft drinks, the league and whatever he chooses to sell. For pete's sake he is selling insurance.

Come on let's be honest here. The Knicks can't help Lebron. Lebron can only help the Knicks. People in NY will buy his sneakers, jerseys and insurance whether he plays for the Knicks or not.
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if lebron wants to be the most famous athlete on earth, he'll sign with the knicks. it's as easy as that. he becomes the face of the NBA.

Really? I thought he was already one of the most famous athletes. They seem to even know who he was in China last summer. The guy is selling sneakers, soft drinks, the league and whatever he chooses to sell. For pete's sake he is selling insurance.

Come on let's be honest here. The Knicks can't help Lebron. Lebron can only help the Knicks. People in NY will buy his sneakers, jerseys and insurance whether he plays for the Knicks or not.

if you don't agree that new york can help lebron, then we can't even really have an argument. greater cleveland is 2 million people, greater new york is almost 20 mil. almost 10x bigger market, not to mention its the world's biggest media market and the most recognizable city of the world's only superpower. lebron said 2 years ago his career goal is to be a "global icon." he will win the chips whether he's on the cavs, the knicks, the clippers, or the freaking grizzles. why wouldn't lebron do it in the city where he'll by far earn the most money and live like a true king. i'd say the odds are at 90% lebron comes to NY. you can't be a king in cleveland come on dude the idea is laughable.
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Posted by BigSm00th:
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if lebron wants to be the most famous athlete on earth, he'll sign with the knicks. it's as easy as that. he becomes the face of the NBA.

Really? I thought he was already one of the most famous athletes. They seem to even know who he was in China last summer. The guy is selling sneakers, soft drinks, the league and whatever he chooses to sell. For pete's sake he is selling insurance.

Come on let's be honest here. The Knicks can't help Lebron. Lebron can only help the Knicks. People in NY will buy his sneakers, jerseys and insurance whether he plays for the Knicks or not.

if you don't agree that new york can help lebron, then we can't even really have an argument. greater cleveland is 2 million people, greater new york is almost 20 mil. almost 10x bigger market, not to mention its the world's biggest media market and the most recognizable city of the world's only superpower. lebron said 2 years ago his career goal is to be a "global icon." he will win the chips whether he's on the cavs, the knicks, the clippers, or the freaking grizzles. why wouldn't lebron do it in the city where he'll by far earn the most money and live like a true king. i'd say the odds are at 90% lebron comes to NY. you can't be a king in cleveland come on dude the idea is laughable.

If you don't agree that Lebron is already a global icon then you're right we can't have an argument. Lebron transcend Cleveland. No one cares that he plays for Cleveland, NY, Memphis or where ever. The man is bigger than his team and already bigger than the league. The Knicks can't offer him anything but looking bad on his quest for championships. It's the 21 century. Television and the internet have done wonders for marketing. I guarantee you that people from the far reaches the world can tell you who Lebron James is and wouldn't have clue what a David Lee is or looks like. Lebron is already the face of the NBA. This at the 60s anymore. Stern is right, New York isn't the marketing capital like it used to be. Lebron has a chance to go for Jordan's championship record with a already establish team that everyone thinks is already a title contender that will have significant cap space in 2010 as well or be part of a rebuilding team and start over again. Hmm... yeah that is a hard choice for him.

10/17/07 - NBA.com and SI (A year before the 2008 Olympics)
LeBron James Looms Large in Shanghai for NBA and Nike
He hovers over a basket in billboards around the city leading to Wednesday's NBA exhibition game between his Cleveland Cavaliers and the Orlando Magic and another game Saturday in the former Portuguese territory of Macau.

"For me, growing up, I never thought about having a billboard anywhere,'' James said Tuesday, slipping off a white NBA headband and replacing it with a Cleveland Indians cap.

"You see them (billboards) locally, and then you start seeing them a little bit nationwide. And now worldwide. It's like, wow. It's like extra credit. It's unbelievable. You would never think that you could have your face somewhere else where you don't even live.''

James' shoe sponsor converted a Shanghai art gallery into a LeBron James showroom. Dubbed the "LBJ Museum,'' the promotion this week includes a freshly shellacked basketball court, aimed at pitching James in China, where 300 million people - the population of the United States - play basketball.

Nike also unveiled the latest version of James' signature shoe on Tuesday. It's the second time it's picked China - ahead of the U.S. - to show off James' newest offering. The "limited edition'' shoe was selling Tuesday for almost $200.

Nike's newest TV spot featuring James also kicked off this week in China, several weeks ahead of its U.S. premiere.

James is a hot property in basketball's most dynamic marketplace. And the NBA and Nike know it, both looking toward next year's Beijing Olympics, where James would surely capture world attention if he leads the beleaguered American basketball team to a gold medal.

Several hundred Chinese reporters and photographers showed up for Tuesday's practice at the Lu Wan Stadium. They engulfed James at the far end of the floor when he stopped shooting. He squatted on a low-slung bench, back against the wall, and stared up to answer questions, cutting deep furrows across his forehead.

"Every time I'm here it's the same response: It's great, the fans love us, the kids are great,'' James said. "The spirit the Chinese have for the game of basketball is great. Nothing surprises me now.''

He was asked whether the Cavaliers will reach the NBA finals again and the pressures facing him as another season awaits.

"I don't believe in pressure,'' he said. "So it's not hard to reduce it when you don't believe in it.''

James is one of the four most popular NBA players in China. Kobe Bryantis probably No. 1, with China-born Yao Ming, James and Allen Iverson jousting for the next spots. At 22, James is the youngest and - get this - might be more popular than Yao.

"The Chinese are looking for individual heroes,'' said Huang Risheng, a reporter with the Chinese-language Titan sports newspaper. "We are not open enough, not extroverted enough. We like the individual effort, just one man saving the whole team like James.''

"I think those three are more popular than Yao Ming. It's a contradiction. Maybe I should say we like their style of play better.''

Like the NBA, Nike's business is soaring in China. The country could generate $1 billion next year, up from about $100 million just five years ago. The NBA's does about $50 million annually and should follow Nike's growth pattern.

Nike has fashioned the preseason games in China around James, who reportedly has a seven-year deal with the shoemaker worth $90 million. Shoe rival Adidas is also promoting the games, stringing up its ads on Huaihai Road, a swanky street that includes many of the city's high-end boutiques.

Adidas' main star is the Magic's Dwight Howard, whose thundering dunks carry the company's pitch.

Nike doesn't liken James to Michael Jordan, but others have. That included at least one Chinese reporter.

"It's great to be compared to one of the greats, but my game and his game are totally different,'' James said.

The "LBJ Museum'' - it's unclear how many people recognize the initials as those of a former U.S. president - is aimed at drawing young fans. It is located near the historic French Concession area in central Shanghai. The museum offers 3-on-3 games in the run-up to this week's exhibitions and introduces James with childhood photos, jerseys from high school and shoes he's worn with Nike.

There's also a history of his NBA career starting with a photo alongside NBA commissioner David Stern from June 22, 2003, when James was chosen No. 1 in the draft.

"The idea is to help Chinese youth understand who he is, his career, his history and his personality,'' Nike spokesman Alan Marks said.

The museum also displays a copy of James' birth certificate: Dec. 30, 1984, born in Akron, Ohio, to Gloria James.

"For the first years of his life LeBron is raised by his mother and grandmother, Freda, on Hickory Street in Akron,'' reads a caption. "A milk crate hung on a telephone pole serves as the neighborhood basketball hoop attached by a few nails at whatever height the tallest available boy can reach.''

Teammate Drew Gooden said James' popularity hinges not on charm or athletic skill but on being genuine and delivering.

"He came into the league as a superstar, but for him to fill those shoes makes it all that much better,'' Gooden said. "When you live up to the hype people respect that, especially fans.''

That includes Chinese fans.


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4/20/2009  9:41 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BigSm00th:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BigSm00th:

if lebron wants to be the most famous athlete on earth, he'll sign with the knicks. it's as easy as that. he becomes the face of the NBA.

Really? I thought he was already one of the most famous athletes. They seem to even know who he was in China last summer. The guy is selling sneakers, soft drinks, the league and whatever he chooses to sell. For pete's sake he is selling insurance.

Come on let's be honest here. The Knicks can't help Lebron. Lebron can only help the Knicks. People in NY will buy his sneakers, jerseys and insurance whether he plays for the Knicks or not.

if you don't agree that new york can help lebron, then we can't even really have an argument. greater cleveland is 2 million people, greater new york is almost 20 mil. almost 10x bigger market, not to mention its the world's biggest media market and the most recognizable city of the world's only superpower. lebron said 2 years ago his career goal is to be a "global icon." he will win the chips whether he's on the cavs, the knicks, the clippers, or the freaking grizzles. why wouldn't lebron do it in the city where he'll by far earn the most money and live like a true king. i'd say the odds are at 90% lebron comes to NY. you can't be a king in cleveland come on dude the idea is laughable.

If you don't agree that Lebron is already a global icon then you're right we can't have an argument. Lebron transcend Cleveland. No one cares that he plays for Cleveland, NY, Memphis or where ever. The man is bigger than his team and already bigger than the league. The Knicks can't offer him anything but looking bad on his quest for championships. It's the 21 century. Television and the internet have done wonders for marketing. I guarantee you that people from the far reaches the world can tell you who Lebron James is and wouldn't have clue what a David Lee is or looks like. Lebron is already the face of the NBA. This at the 60s anymore. Stern is right, New York isn't the marketing capital like it used to be. Lebron has a chance to go for Jordan's championship record with a already establish team that everyone thinks is already a title contender that will have significant cap space in 2010 as well or be part of a rebuilding team and start over again. Hmm... yeah that is a hard choice for him.

LeBron is already a global icon but his reach and popularity would grow even more if he was in NY, Chi or LA. Places like Cleveland or Memphis just dont have the media outlets to match.

There is a reason Lee and Nate are in the top 10 in jersey sales and it's because they are in NY (with the side caveat with Nate and dunk contest).

I have never heard Stern say that NY isn't the marketing capital like it once was and I don't think anyone would really express that. Perhaps it isn't the same - it may be a different animal - but the mojo is still there.

I have no idea what the article brings to your claims.
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4/20/2009  11:29 AM
I thinks its funny as hell they have a copy of his birth certificate on display in china!!!
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4/20/2009  11:51 AM
quicken loans arena or the world's most famous arena?

playing for d'antoni or continuing to play for mike brown?
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The article clearly illustrate that the man doesn't need the Knicks or NY to be a global icon. He is already one.

How does playing in NY, Chi or LA increase your popularity if you are already a global icon? You mean there is some kid in Brooklyn or the Bronx who doesn't know who this Lebron guy is? You got genuine and fake Lebron jerseys flowing around Chinatown and somehow you think that playing for the Knicks will mean that some kid in a undevelop country is going to say hey he plays for the Knicks in NY that means I now need a Lebron jersey?

Stern spoke the NBA and the status of the Knicks as such that the NBA had its most successful ratings in awhile at the same time the Knicks posted it worst season. The game has indeed change. Stern learned long ago that you market players and not teams and cities for his sport. To think differently is the sign of a desperate Knick fan, hungry for star power and will say anything to get some.
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4/20/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

The article clearly illustrate that the man doesn't need the Knicks or NY to be a global icon. He is already one.

How does playing in NY, Chi or LA increase your popularity if you are already a global icon? You mean there is some kid in Brooklyn or the Bronx who doesn't know who this Lebron guy is? You got genuine and fake Lebron jerseys flowing around Chinatown and somehow you think that playing for the Knicks will mean that some kid in a undevelop country is going to say hey he plays for the Knicks in NY that means I now need a Lebron jersey?

Stern spoke the NBA and the status of the Knicks as such that the NBA had its most successful ratings in awhile at the same time the Knicks posted it worst season. The game has indeed change. Stern learned long ago that you market players and not teams and cities for his sport. To think differently is the sign of a desperate Knick fan, hungry for star power and will say anything to get some.

Marketing 101 baby. If you don't know the difference between playing in Chi, NY or LA over Memphis, Cleveland or Utah, you won't ever know. And just because someone is a global icon doesn't mean his popularity can't grwo or his ability to push product is limited.

Having the most successfully ratings while the Knicks suck has nothing to do with the popularity of the NBA and the impact of having a star in NY. You can be assured that the popularity would be many fold better if LeBron was in NY while Kobe was in LA versus what it is now (ala Magic-Larry Bird).

Desperate Knicks fan? No way man, this is just basic marketing common sense. MBA 101.
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4/20/2009  12:58 PM
Martin, my man, we have to agree to disagree because I think you are still living in the golden age of New York City and marketing. My only hope is that Lebron and his people hold your beliefs and not reality.
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4/20/2009  2:54 PM
dude. ok hows this for an example:

new york city gets around 50 million international tourists a year. cleveland doesn't even get half a million per year. out of that 50 million, what percentage will try to go to a knicks game with the nba's biggest star playing for the home team? 25% i'll guess, which is probably a conservative estimate. that's 12.5 million foreigners who then will go home and maybe watch the sport, buy a lebron jersey, etc. let's say he plays in NY for the next 10 years, that means 120 million people from overseas have seen lebron in person, know who is, consider themselves a fan. to say that he'll have the same amount staying in cleveland is just ridiculous. its not true, demographics just don't back it up.

lebron is a global icon now, that's true. but he can absolutely be better known and make more money. lebron earned around 30 million last year, including endorsements. tiger woods, arguably the best known athlete in the world, made 90 million. beckham and other top soccer guys make in the 50s, and even some F1 guys (at least schumaker used to).

the loyalty card is overhyped. lebron will always be loved in cleveland. his goals are to be the first sports billionaire and be a global icon, it takes pretty simple logic to deduce he will sign with the knicks. show me the money baby.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 04-20-2009 11:56 AM]
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Posted by BigSm00th:

dude. ok hows this for an example:

new york city gets around 50 million international tourists a year. cleveland doesn't even get half a million per year. out of that 50 million, what percentage will try to go to a knicks game with the nba's biggest star playing for the home team? 25% i'll guess, which is probably a conservative estimate. that's 12.5 million foreigners who then will go home and maybe watch the sport, buy a lebron jersey, etc. let's say he plays in NY for the next 10 years, that means 120 million people from overseas have seen lebron in person, know who is, consider themselves a fan. to say that he'll have the same amount staying in cleveland is just ridiculous. its not true, demographics just don't back it up.

lebron is a global icon now, that's true. but he can absolutely be better known and make more money. lebron earned around 30 million last year, including endorsements. tiger woods, arguably the best known athlete in the world, made 90 million. beckham and other top soccer guys make in the 50s, and even some F1 guys (at least schumaker used to).

the loyalty card is overhyped. lebron will always be loved in cleveland. his goals are to be the first sports billionaire and be a global icon, it takes pretty simple logic to deduce he will sign with the knicks. show me the money baby.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 04-20-2009 11:56 AM]

Are you kidding? Now you are going to tell me that visiting tourist will now be the reason why people will learn who Lebron James is? So a guy from Germany who never heard of Lebron James before is now going to take his family to a Knick game because it's the Knicks and now discovers Lebron James. So he will go back and tell all his friends about Lebron? By that reasoning then Lebron should do just as well in Central and South Florida.

I used to be a Knicks season ticket holder and the only dominating foreign accents I heard where Brooklynese and Long Islandish.

Comparing Tiger and Lebron earnings is like comparing apples to oranges. One guy gets paid by each event he plays in and doesn't have to worry about a CBA that restricts his earnings and his ability to play in multiple leagues all year long and the other guy isn't as lucky.
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4/20/2009  3:58 PM
you're right dude, lebron will stay in cleveland.

(95% sure he'll be a cav for one more season and then be a knick in the 2010-2011 season.)
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Are you kidding? Now you are going to tell me that visiting tourist will now be the reason why people will learn who Lebron James is? So a guy from Germany who never heard of Lebron James before is now going to take his family to a Knick game because it's the Knicks and now discovers Lebron James. So he will go back and tell all his friends about Lebron? By that reasoning then Lebron should do just as well in Central and South Florida.

I used to be a Knicks season ticket holder and the only dominating foreign accents I heard where Brooklynese and Long Islandish.

Comparing Tiger and Lebron earnings is like comparing apples to oranges. One guy gets paid by each event he plays in and doesn't have to worry about a CBA that restricts his earnings and his ability to play in multiple leagues all year long and the other guy isn't as lucky.

do you honestly think if lebron plays out the rest of his career in cleveland (versus signing with the knicks or nets), he will make as much money off the court in cleveland as he would were he to play in new york?
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i freakin love that picture
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i gotta believe there's a lot more hot women in NY than there are in CLE... that's a good enough reason right there for Lebron to wanna come here.
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