Ricky Rubio is declaring - I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be the pick.
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Paladin55
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4/9/2009 4:23 PM
Posted by Pharzeone: What will they say about Griffin's knees? Griffin looks small when he is on defense, and I expect him to be in a lot of foul trouble when they start posting him up in the NBA. For a guy who is listed at 6'10" with superior athletic ability, it is amazing how few blocks he makes or even attempts to make. I was amazed at how passive he was on D against NC, especially down low. I like Griffin, and think he is going to be a very good player in the NBA, but not a franchise changer. He has amazing quickness for a big man, very good court sense, and he has a great motor and can obviously defy gravity, but his offensive game is limited and I really think he is going to struggle on defense. That doesn't mean he will not get his points and rebounds in this league, I just don't believe he will be the game changer some people think he is going to be. I think that Rubio would be a godsend for NY basketball, not only because of his flair for the game, but also because he could become great at a position -PG- which can make or break a team. For better or worse, the MDA system is a PG dominant system when it is operating efficiently, and Rubio is the type of intelligent player MDA would like because of his decision making, and fans would like because he is also does things with style. He could really rejuvenate interest in the game in NYC while at the same time improving the team. Rubio, like Griffin, has a lot of work to do on his jumper, but his form is fundamentally OK, and you would expect that he is the type of gymrat who will work on the shot until it is effective. Unlike Griffin, Rubio's D is much further ahead for his position, as we learned from the Olympics, and he has good size and surprising lateral quickness. One other thing- Rubio has the kind of game that really would might make free agents look at the Knicks differently. How would you like to be the teammate of a guy who has seemingly shown more concern for getting his teammates baskets than himself? He is a guy you don't mind giving the ball to because if you can get into the right position you are going to get the ball in a position to score. I would not be unhappy if we somehow landed in the #1 spot and got Griffin, but I would be happier if we finished in the 2nd slot and had a chance to take Rubio without facing the pressure to take Griffin. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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SupremeCommander
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4/9/2009 4:28 PM
Rubio over Blake Griffin http://www.interbasket.net/news/1591/2009/03/22/ricky-rubio-may-enter-2009-nba-draft/ DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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PresIke
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4/9/2009 4:29 PM
the real fact is most of us don't see him on a daily basis like you did for ncaa players, and there is no where near the hype machine that college players benefit from.
if we looked at stats for college players would that be the basis for who are the top prospects? remember that guy at lesalle who averaged 60 ppg or something like that. kurt thomas averaged 20 and 20. Lester Hudson averages 27.5 ppg. how come he's not a top pick? Jermaine Taylor? Steph Curry? ..... the point is are you really using the same means of measurement to judge all players, or is it more because you see and hear far more about NCAA players than European players, and assume NCAAs are superior? [Edited by - PresIke on 04-09-2009 4:30 PM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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SupremeCommander
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4/9/2009 4:32 PM
Posted by Paladin55: I guess this sums up my feelings... a team would more or less have to take Griffin, because that's what you're supposed to do. If I were a GM I'd likely take Griffin to avoid potentially getting fired. But deep down, I just think Rubio will mean so much more to whichever team drafts him. He's so young and already has proven to be a baller... his potential just seems so great DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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PresIke
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4/9/2009 4:39 PM
basically, we watch college games, check draft websites for who are top prospects...
then if those players play for top programs, we get to see them play, and then judge if they are good are not. not only that but for some teams, especially the biggest/most winning programs we see them even more, against what we perceive is high competition. then given our locale, we tend to see a lot of big east guys, which is partially why i think many of us are usually biased towards big east players, but there is also something to be said about "finding" a player elsewhere. there are enough games on tv that you can see many players play now anywhere, so if you check espn/nbadraft.com/draftexpress/realgm you then want to see if they are "good." tell me if this same thing applies to guys like rubio, jennings, and other european or international players? rubio, at least we've seen some of from the olympics. so, how easy is it to dismiss his skill as "youtube-based" when you haven't even seen him play as much as ncaa players? i'm not saying he should get the benefit of the doubt, but i do think he played well in the olympics, or at least showed a great deal of potential that clearly makes him slated at the #2 spot according to draftexpress (which from what i come to gather is the most respected site). this is not skito or darko or whoever...because the scouting today is MUCH MUCH better...although, sure, he could become a bust, just like any player drafted, but i think it's unlikely. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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nyk4ever
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4/9/2009 4:39 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:Posted by nyk4ever:Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by nyk4ever: It's cool bro, no worries. Believe me, I have my doubts about Griffen. He's an overwhelming selection for 1 because of the year he's coming out, I think any other year this would be a bit more of a wildcard 1 selection. Yes, he just had one of the best years in college hoops history, but I have some real concerns (like you) about his height. If he ends up measuring in a 6'7 or 6'8, I think there is some legit beef with him. Regarding Rubio - I don't know alot about him other than what I saw in the olympics, but what I did was a young athletic kid who looked like he could really run a fast-break offense in the NBA. Will that happen? Who knows, I haven't seen him enough of him, but I won't blatantly say the kid is going to suck or be good when I don't know enough about him. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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PresIke
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4/9/2009 4:40 PM
for those that are saying he isn't good, how many olympics or any games of him have you seen?
just curious. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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dodger78
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4/9/2009 4:51 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by nyk4ever:Posted by BRIGGS:Posted by nyk4ever: When did this threat become a debate about who is gonna be the Number 1 draft pick?!? Like it was said before, this is basically about how skilled or useful Ricky Rubio would be for the Knicks. And based on almost every source, things seem to indicate a great set of skills, that would make him a great PG - prospect - and thats the world every player in any draft basically is in the beginning... a prospect, there are NO safe bets... only better and worse! And it seems that he is not a bad bet at all... thing about Rubio is, that he has been on the page of scouts all over the world for quiet some while now, even despite his age and you HARDLY find any negativ notes on him. I really think the thing that makes you dismiss all these things is your missing knowledge of european basketball in comparisson to you undoubted college knowledge... (see your comparisson of the NCAA and ABC or Euroleague) this makes him a white page for you, which makes you doubt. |
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BRIGGS
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4/9/2009 4:59 PM
Posted by Paladin55:Posted by Pharzeone: Is Lebron James some kind of lockdown defender? Blake Griffin has that rare Lebron James Amare Stoudemire Dwight Howard combination of elite athletic ability WITH incredible size and power that translates so well at the nBA level. Simply there arent many of their peers and that is why they can dominate. How many block shots did Karl Malone average per year--yes less than 1--he was no great defender--he had a true 5 next to him--getting rebounds and points arent a bad thing--think about it. Also the Knicks are not MDA. We cant afford guesses or wild proclamations. He can coach the players he has. He didnt win a title with players that Pat Riley or Phil Jackson would have. They just wouldve added some size with those teams. Hopefully we will have pick 1 and we will do the right thing MDA or not--you take the sure bet. RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
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4/9/2009 5:03 PM
Posted by PresIke: To say he is that good how many games have YOU seen him in [Edited by - BRIGGS on 04-09-2009 5:12 PM] RIP Crushalot😞
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sebstar
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4/9/2009 5:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS: It's statements like this that damage your credibility. You go way overboard too much. My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
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JohnWallace44
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4/9/2009 5:31 PM
Posted by sebstar:Posted by BRIGGS: Dude is a man-child, but he's small for his position, whereas LeBron, Howard and Amare are at least average size for their spot and the knee injuries should be a concern. Alan Hahn:
Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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TMS
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4/9/2009 6:11 PM
i'll be happy if we get any of these guys... but knowing our luck we won't:
Griffin Rubio Hill Derozan Jennings Thabeet Evans After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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NYKPHINS
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4/9/2009 6:17 PM
I don't post here often but as the draft is my favorite topic thought i'd join in.
First point: Briggs is right about the number one pick. In this draft, if you get it, you take Blake Griffin. He's not a perfect Lebron type number one pick, but he's the best prospect in this draft. He's got an NBA body and is very athletic. His ceiling is likely as a more athletic Carlos Boozer. That said he is NOT a good defender and will need to work on that. Second Point: Ricky Rubio is the second best prospect, with the second best upside in this draft. He is a great passer and by all acounts leader. He works hard as a defender. He is absolutely a pure point guard with great height in that 6-3/6-4 range. His play in th olympics while not dominant, was certainly impressive considering he was 17 at the time. Now he is not a great shooter and that will be one of his biggest challenges in his transition to the NBA. He is also not a great athlete by NBA standards, so while his effort on defense is by all acounts very strong, staying in front of the quicker guards in the league may be a problem. On offense he will also need to work on developing his jump shot for this reason, so he can then take full advantage of his penetration and passing abilities. All of that said, at 18 years old, with his intelligence, passing ability, experience, work ethic and leadership, Rubio certainly has the potential to turn into a great NBA point guard and is at this point certainly the second best prospect in this draft. Probably the only player besides Griffin with "franchise" talent (if he gets on the right team). Third Point: Briggs, stop saying that he averages 2.4 ppg and 2.8 apg. He averaged those numbers in five games after coming of a wrist injury. His averages post surgery in the ACB League: 17 Games Played: 9.6 ppg 5.8 apg 1.9 spg 2.2 rpg 42.5% fgp 48.6% 3p% 79.4 % ftp 2.6 top - Source on stats - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/ Lastly: The Knicks would be incredibly lucky for a chance at either of these two players. So lets just hope and pray they are picking at either one or two on draft night as it would really go a VERY long way in saving this franchise much quicker. For those interested Rubio and Jennings' euro teams actualy played a while back. Here is some feedback on that matchup: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2008-12-11-jennings-rubio_N.htm http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/12/slam-is-on-hand.html Miami Dolphins - 2008 AFC East Champions!
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Ricky Rubio is declaring - I think it's a pretty safe bet he'll be the pick.