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I Call BS

"I think a better phrase would have been "most people attempt to be fair" or "most people think they are being fair and open minded"

From the animal kingdom to the human race all people are hot-wired with cultural preferences. All things being equal, if there is a choice I'm going with the person that I'm most comfortable. That translates to someone who looks like me.

It's patently and scientifically factorial bippity and there is absolutely nothing good or bad about it.

It's like that.. and that's the way it is.

"Open minded"? Open minded to living next door, attending church together or encourage someone different to marry my daughter? Not really.

C'mon bipp, enough with the innocent and extremely naive, "lets ignore world history and pretend there is no tension" perception of culture and race. People are fearful, skittish and uncomfortable with anything that is too different. Or have you been paying attention to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the blowhards whose business is stoking the fires of resentment and fear?

"Most people" listen to them and wonder if the world is about to come to an end.

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4/3/2009  6:09 PM
Posted by misterearl:

I Call BS

"I think a better phrase would have been "most people attempt to be fair" or "most people think they are being fair and open minded"

From the animal kingdom to the human race all people are hot-wired with cultural preferences. All things being equal, if there is a choice I'm going with the person that I'm most comfortable. That translates to someone who looks like me.

It's patently and scientifically factorial bippity and there is absolutely nothing good or bad about it.

It's like that.. and that's the way it is.

"Open minded"? Open minded to living next door, attending church together or encourage someone different to marry my daughter? Not really.

C'mon bipp, enough with the innocent and extremely naive, "lets ignore world history and pretend there is no tension" perception of culture and race. People are fearful, skittish and uncomfortable with anything that is too different. Or have you been paying attention to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the blowhards whose business is stoking the fires of resentment and fear?

"Most people" listen to them and wonder if the world is about to come to an end.

Got to be honest with you, I don't think you even read what I wrote. There was absolutely no La La in my post. What exactly are you disagreeing with?

1.) Do you disagree with the idea that you make millions of unconscious decisions everytime you meet someone?
2.) Do you disagree that these decisions are based on years of personal experience?
3.) Are you saying that some people are actually capable of avoiding all preconceived notions?
4.) Do you disagree that it is important to become aware of the preconceived notions that you have and attempt to open your mind?
5.) Do you disagree that it is important to try to open your mind as much as possible once you are aware of your preconceived notions?
6.) Do you disagree that it is impossible to eliminate all your preconceived notions no matter how enlighted you believe that you are?
7.) Do you disagree that all people see color and all people have preconceived notions about other races and people not like them?
8.) Do you disagree that most people on this earth at least attempt to be fair in their lives? If not, how do you walk down the street each day?
9.) Do you disagree that most people "think" they are being fair and open minded?

Please tell me which statement you disagree with, and which statement is innocent and extremely naive. Tell me which one ignores world history and paints a pollyanna view of culture and race.

My question is: Why is it that anytime you have a discussion on race and disagree with each other, someone injects Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity into the conversation. Is this your own preconceived notion that anyone that does not 100% agree with your world view or you vision of race relations is some Card carrying Republican who wears a Cowboy hat, owns a gun and hates Mexicans. Open your mind Earl. If you read this thread thorougly we actually are closely aligned. The only time we really disagreed was when I said

"most people don't see color"

You corrected me and I agreed with you. So what is your issue?


[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-04-2009 6:10 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-04-2009 6:12 PM]
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4/3/2009  6:16 PM
On the other hand, things always change. A next generation is watching things we only dreamed of.

I look forward to change.

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4/3/2009  6:21 PM
Okay
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4/3/2009  6:44 PM
The Answer Man Goes From 1 to 9 In Sixty Seconds Or Less

1.) Do you disagree with the idea that you make millions of unconscious decisions everytime you meet someone?

A. Yes. If she's cute I'm only trying to figure out how to get the digits

2.) Do you disagree that these decisions are based on years of personal experience?

A. No

3.) Are you saying that some people are actually capable of avoiding all preconceived notions?

A. I don't know about "some people". I can only speak for myself. Based on what I have experienced, and what I have learned via my family - getting beyond or forgiving negative personal experiences can be difficult

4.) Do you disagree that it is important to become aware of the preconceived notions that you have and attempt to open your mind?

A. Bippity - nope. We are what we eat. We are who we think we are. I like to try different things. But just because I try it doesn't mean I gotta like it.

5.) Do you disagree that it is important to try to open your mind as much as possible once you are aware of your preconceived notions?

A. No, I don't. But opening your mind to try a stalk of broccoli is a lot different than walking into a church of another denomination uninvited.

6.) Do you disagree that it is impossible to eliminate all your preconceived notions no matter how enlighted you believe that you are?

A. it is impossible to eliminate all your preconceived notions no matter how enlighted you believe that you are

7.) Do you disagree that all people see color and all people have preconceived notions about other races and people not like them?

A. I see color and all people have preconceived notions about other races. I find that the more I travel, and the more I have conversations on the road, the more I appreciate how large the world really is.

8.) Do you disagree that most people on this earth at least attempt to be fair in their lives? If not, how do you walk down the street each day?

A. With both eyes wide open

9.) Do you disagree that most people "think" they are being fair and open minded?

A. I don't know who the "most people" you keep referring to, are. I can only speak for myself. I judge people on how they respond to me and try to approach with as few preconceived notions possible. But you know what is interesting, I note how my tone and vocabulary (slang included) change - depending upon who I talk to.
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4/3/2009  6:55 PM
The Answer Man Drops A Pop Quiz On Bippity (note: not a single comment about "most people")

1.) Have you ever dated outside your race?

2.) If so, do you know much of that that decision was based on cultural curiousity or Jungle Fever?

3.) How much did he/she change your preconceived notion of a relationship?

4.) Did he/she open, close or blow your mind?

5.) If he/she opened your mind, was it temporary or permanent?

6.) Did you eliminate all your preconceived notions?

9.) Was he/she a Knicks fan?

10.) If not, did you leave them immediately and go watch the game?
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4/3/2009  8:24 PM
In Two Decades? Really?

Danilo Gallinari, the Knicks’ most promising prospect in two decades, will have minor back surgery on Tuesday, ending his rookie season.

Gallinari, a 6-foot-10, 225-pound forward, is considered the Knicks’ best shooter. When healthy, he is also a capable ball-handler and slasher. He averaged 6.1 points and 2 rebounds in 14.7 minutes a game this season, including a career-best 17 points in a March 4 victory over Atlanta.

Given his uncanny maturity on the court and the experience he has gained, the Knicks do not plan to have Gallinari play in the summer league this year.

- Howard Beck NYT
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4/3/2009  9:05 PM
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I've lived that perception and I believe it's there. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and even Nate Robinson have worked harder on their games and their bodies than David Lee ever will, and yet David Lee is considered to be the tireless worker.

Bip- what makes you think Lee hasn't worked on his game or his body? Is it cause he's not ripped or something?

I don't think anyone ever questioned the work ethic of either Jordan or Bryant. You throw Nate in- and with Lee we've seen him improve different parts of his game dramatically each off season.

Yet the one thing Nate needs to work on- i.e., his temper- hasn't improved since he got in the league. He's emotional, but he's unrestrained. If he worked as hard as Lee- and it would probably be different work like meditation to improve his focus- then I don't think we'd have seen the crap he pulled the other night against Chris Paul.

And as far as David's body- not every person can benefit and bulk out the same way. Why was Reggie Miller so skinny? Why couldn't he 'bulk up'?

Franco, when did I criticize David Lee's work ethic, or say he hasn't worked on his game or body. I just think these guys have worked harder than he has. It's not a criticism of Lee. Of course David Lee is a hard worker. But he hasn't worked as hard on his game as those that I mentioned. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest players of our generation because they outworked EVERYONE! Nate Robinson is 4 foot 6 and capable of scoring 20 any night, because he has outworked most. This isn't an endorsement of his game. I actually prefer Lee over Nate. The discussion was about perception. When you hear blue collar and hard worker on the Knicks, David's name is normally attached. I personally think it's accurate. I think he is a hard worker. But a guy that is in his mid 20's and still doesn't have a go to move offensively probably isn't as hard a worker as some other players. But perception tells us he is.

As for the working on the body thing. I don't care how his body looks and I really don't know what effort he puts into the weightroom. But judging by the changes in his body so far in his career I'm willing to bet that he doesn't work as hard in the weightroom as the guys I mentioned.

Just my opinion.

Wait- but aren't you saying that Nate has worked on his game more than Lee? I don't think you can say that. Yes, Nate is a midget playing a tall man's game. But he is also quicker than everyone else- hence his ability to get places. Think of someone like Joe Morris in the NFL who could hide behind line man.

I'm not taking anything away from Nate. I'm just questioning how you can say Nate has outworked Lee. They're both physically gifted. I just think you can't discount Lee's improvement on things like his FT shooting and range.

Jordan and Kobe are on a different plane- both in terms of pure gift from god physical ability and will - mental strength if you like.

Franco: If I say that Michael Jordan is a better player than Kobe Bryant does that mean I'm knocking Kobe Bryant's game? Or does it just mean that I think he's a better player.

Same situation here. I think Lee is a hard worker. But I think Nate based on what he has done at 5-9 has probably worked harder on his game then David. Especially considering David is nearly 26 years old and still doesn't have a go to offensive move. The point really isn't who is a harder worker out of the two because everyone has their own opinion. The point is about perception. When you ask people who they think is the "blue collar guy" or the "hardest working Knick", the immediate response is David Lee. That's all I'm saying. Nobody can really knock either guy's work ethic. They've already proved themselves to me

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-04-2009 5:44 PM]

I think people perceive Lee as blue collar because he does not have the same physical abilities as Nate. That has nothing to do with hard work, but a simple gift from god. Has Nate worked hard? Yes. Harder than Lee? Maybe.

But you can't deny that Nate is by a wide margin much more physically gifted than Lee.

If Nate were as tall as Lee, he would be a player like Amare- and in the league without hard work.

Lee as short as Nate, even with all the work in the world, would not be in the league.

Not sure where this discussion is going.
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4/3/2009  9:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

In Two Decades? Really?

Danilo Gallinari, the Knicks’ most promising prospect in two decades, will have minor back surgery on Tuesday, ending his rookie season.

Gallinari, a 6-foot-10, 225-pound forward, is considered the Knicks’ best shooter. When healthy, he is also a capable ball-handler and slasher. He averaged 6.1 points and 2 rebounds in 14.7 minutes a game this season, including a career-best 17 points in a March 4 victory over Atlanta.

Given his uncanny maturity on the court and the experience he has gained, the Knicks do not plan to have Gallinari play in the summer league this year.

- Howard Beck NYT

Looks like Beck has been brushing up on "The Art of Proproganda"
He just used two of the seven techniques
1) Card stacking
2) Testimonial
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4/3/2009  10:30 PM
Pharzeone - I thought you would appreciate the Beck hyperbole on Gallinari.

I absolutely cherish the "given his uncanny maturity..." line

Besides, The Mayor after starting a grand total of 63 games, is the Knicks most promising rookie.

You could look it up
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4/4/2009  12:52 AM
If averaging 14 and 5 when you are 21 and could still be in college is coming out I would agree. If averaging 14 and 5 when you were the 23rd pick in the draft in your second year is coming out I would agree. In my opinion Chandler is a positive on the Knicks. Getting a guy at 23 who can do what he has done already is a steal or at least a smart pick. There certainly is a draft pick to be scrutinized and at least 12 players taken after him appear to have better long term potential. When you pick at 23, you hope to get a role player and possibly a starter.
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4/4/2009  9:11 AM
21 and Ready For Fun

The Mayor promises to improve with reps. All he needs is to work on his handle, build his confidence ... and to play alongside a frontcourt distraction who can create bit more space for him to operate inside. Cole Aldrich would be an outstanding fit.

CrushAlot - where do you stand on Thabeet?

I'm starting to waver on him.

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4/6/2009  5:32 AM
Chandler was moved to starting shooting guard and scored a team-high 17 points to lead seven double-figure scorers.

Chandler could be a candidate to start at starting guard next season while Hughes has one of several expiring contracts the Knicks could use to trade in a package this summer.

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4/6/2009  8:08 AM
I'm very happy with Chan's development. People tend to overlook the fact that he's a solid 2way player! If he doesn't bulk up as he matures I can see him playing SG, but I get the feeling he's gonna fillout a bit more. He's not a slim dude. He's got a lot of natural strength and will have to be careful not to put on anymore weight or it may effect his quickness and agility.
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4/6/2009  8:54 AM
nixluva - excellent observation. If The Mayor can improve on his ball handling in heavy traffic, a 6'8, 240 pound catapult driving the lane against guards who average 6'6 is an appetizing thought to ponder for next season.

One down, four (starters) to go.
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Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Goes From 1 to 9 In Sixty Seconds Or Less

1.) Do you disagree with the idea that you make millions of unconscious decisions everytime you meet someone?

A. Yes. If she's cute I'm only trying to figure out how to get the digits

2.) Do you disagree that these decisions are based on years of personal experience?

A. No

3.) Are you saying that some people are actually capable of avoiding all preconceived notions?

A. I don't know about "some people". I can only speak for myself. Based on what I have experienced, and what I have learned via my family - getting beyond or forgiving negative personal experiences can be difficult

4.) Do you disagree that it is important to become aware of the preconceived notions that you have and attempt to open your mind?

A. Bippity - nope. We are what we eat. We are who we think we are. I like to try different things. But just because I try it doesn't mean I gotta like it.

5.) Do you disagree that it is important to try to open your mind as much as possible once you are aware of your preconceived notions?

A. No, I don't. But opening your mind to try a stalk of broccoli is a lot different than walking into a church of another denomination uninvited.

6.) Do you disagree that it is impossible to eliminate all your preconceived notions no matter how enlighted you believe that you are?

A. it is impossible to eliminate all your preconceived notions no matter how enlighted you believe that you are

7.) Do you disagree that all people see color and all people have preconceived notions about other races and people not like them?

A. I see color and all people have preconceived notions about other races. I find that the more I travel, and the more I have conversations on the road, the more I appreciate how large the world really is.

8.) Do you disagree that most people on this earth at least attempt to be fair in their lives? If not, how do you walk down the street each day?

A. With both eyes wide open

9.) Do you disagree that most people "think" they are being fair and open minded?

A. I don't know who the "most people" you keep referring to, are. I can only speak for myself. I judge people on how they respond to me and try to approach with as few preconceived notions possible. But you know what is interesting, I note how my tone and vocabulary (slang included) change - depending upon who I talk to.

So you agree with everything I said. So what is the argument?
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The Answer Man Drops A Pop Quiz On Bippity (note: not a single comment about "most people")

1.) Have you ever dated outside your race?
Touched every continent except for Antartica(yes even Australia). Serious relationships, twice. My father is black. My mother is half black and half Native American. My step grandmother is Asian, my favorite aunt is hispanic. My parents divorced and my mother married a man from Kenya. My father married a crazy Korean lady who has ruined all good feelings I had for Asians . My father had 12 siblings. Our family reunion is peppered with people from every race on the planet. My wife is half Romanian and half Egyptian. Some people think she's black and some think she's white. Most don't know what she is. Some at our reunions hate her and want her out of the family and some have adopted her as their own daughter. I met her on the basketball court like I've met every other significant other that I grew close with. It seems that basketball transcends all the other unimportant relationship minutia.

2.) If so, do you know much of that that decision was based on cultural curiousity or Jungle Fever?
are you asking on my part or her part. On my part I met someone who had similar interests as me, I began to like her based on that. I was always open to dating anyone and everyone and never felt the need to consciously make any dating decisions based on superficial criteria, other than the size of her breasts and can she put the ball in the basket. Now, of course I love my mother to death so I always pictured marrying someone who looked and acted like her(in a manner of speaking of course. I did not want to date my mother). But I was also very open to meeting someone who wasn't like her as well. In the end of course some/most(sorry I know you despise these words) of my dating of other races was due to curiosity. I dated an Asian woman once simply because I never had before and the opportunity was there. But when it came to choosing a life mate, race was less of a factor.

3.) How much did he/she change your preconceived notion of a relationship?
Don't understand the question

4.) Did he/she open, close or blow your mind?
Every person that I meet and have a deep intimate relationship has helped to open my mind. If you are talking about race, then some of my preconceived notions were shattered and destroyed. Some where strengthened(whether true or untrue, some were strengthened. I have no shame in admitting that)

5.) If he/she opened your mind, was it temporary or permanent?
Of course permanent. How can your mind be opened temporarily?

6.) Did you eliminate all your preconceived notions?
As I mentioned above, which you obviously read, it is impossible to eliminate all preconceived notions.

9.) Was he/she a Knicks fan?
No, Celtics

10.) If not, did you leave them immediately and go watch the game?
No woman has ever come between me and the Knicks.


What is the point behind all this questioning?
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I've lived that perception and I believe it's there. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and even Nate Robinson have worked harder on their games and their bodies than David Lee ever will, and yet David Lee is considered to be the tireless worker.

Bip- what makes you think Lee hasn't worked on his game or his body? Is it cause he's not ripped or something?

I don't think anyone ever questioned the work ethic of either Jordan or Bryant. You throw Nate in- and with Lee we've seen him improve different parts of his game dramatically each off season.

Yet the one thing Nate needs to work on- i.e., his temper- hasn't improved since he got in the league. He's emotional, but he's unrestrained. If he worked as hard as Lee- and it would probably be different work like meditation to improve his focus- then I don't think we'd have seen the crap he pulled the other night against Chris Paul.

And as far as David's body- not every person can benefit and bulk out the same way. Why was Reggie Miller so skinny? Why couldn't he 'bulk up'?

Franco, when did I criticize David Lee's work ethic, or say he hasn't worked on his game or body. I just think these guys have worked harder than he has. It's not a criticism of Lee. Of course David Lee is a hard worker. But he hasn't worked as hard on his game as those that I mentioned. Jordan and Bryant are two of the greatest players of our generation because they outworked EVERYONE! Nate Robinson is 4 foot 6 and capable of scoring 20 any night, because he has outworked most. This isn't an endorsement of his game. I actually prefer Lee over Nate. The discussion was about perception. When you hear blue collar and hard worker on the Knicks, David's name is normally attached. I personally think it's accurate. I think he is a hard worker. But a guy that is in his mid 20's and still doesn't have a go to move offensively probably isn't as hard a worker as some other players. But perception tells us he is.

As for the working on the body thing. I don't care how his body looks and I really don't know what effort he puts into the weightroom. But judging by the changes in his body so far in his career I'm willing to bet that he doesn't work as hard in the weightroom as the guys I mentioned.

Just my opinion.

Wait- but aren't you saying that Nate has worked on his game more than Lee? I don't think you can say that. Yes, Nate is a midget playing a tall man's game. But he is also quicker than everyone else- hence his ability to get places. Think of someone like Joe Morris in the NFL who could hide behind line man.

I'm not taking anything away from Nate. I'm just questioning how you can say Nate has outworked Lee. They're both physically gifted. I just think you can't discount Lee's improvement on things like his FT shooting and range.

Jordan and Kobe are on a different plane- both in terms of pure gift from god physical ability and will - mental strength if you like.

Franco: If I say that Michael Jordan is a better player than Kobe Bryant does that mean I'm knocking Kobe Bryant's game? Or does it just mean that I think he's a better player.

Same situation here. I think Lee is a hard worker. But I think Nate based on what he has done at 5-9 has probably worked harder on his game then David. Especially considering David is nearly 26 years old and still doesn't have a go to offensive move. The point really isn't who is a harder worker out of the two because everyone has their own opinion. The point is about perception. When you ask people who they think is the "blue collar guy" or the "hardest working Knick", the immediate response is David Lee. That's all I'm saying. Nobody can really knock either guy's work ethic. They've already proved themselves to me

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-04-2009 5:44 PM]

I think people perceive Lee as blue collar because he does not have the same physical abilities as Nate. That has nothing to do with hard work, but a simple gift from god. Has Nate worked hard? Yes. Harder than Lee? Maybe.

But you can't deny that Nate is by a wide margin much more physically gifted than Lee.

If Nate were as tall as Lee, he would be a player like Amare- and in the league without hard work.

Lee as short as Nate, even with all the work in the world, would not be in the league.

Not sure where this discussion is going.

Franco: We wouldn't be having this conversation if you didn't accuse me of saying that Lee doesn't work hard. Which was never done.

You did however prove my point that it is about perception. "Some people" assume that Lee is a harder worker than Robinson simply because he is not as athletically gifted. Well, very few are. But unfortunately athletic ability alone does not make you an NBa basketball player. There are many great, great athletes who will never sniff the NBA hardwood. You have to have skills at his height. And at 5-9 Robinson has spent a lot of time working on his skills. The fact that Robinson has a better skillset than Lee and yet they are both in the NBA just goes to prove that David has far more physical advantages than Robinson and can get away with developing his game less.
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4/6/2009  12:18 PM
man, just imagine if Chandler was drafted by the Nets???? He'd be the next Kobe in the eyes of many around here and it would give the Thorn groupies another excuse to perform verbal fellatio on their man.

But for now he's just a future role player with a poor IQ. All at the age of 21!
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Is Chandler finally starting to break out?

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