Posted by tkf:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

We have Curry. He was picked top 5. Does that mean we're on our way?

Find me a contending team that doesn't have a Top 10 or Top 5 pick on it. You got until the rest of this yr to answer this question.

for every contender I find taht has a top 10 pick, I can find you a lot of bottom feeding teams that not only have top 10 picks, but a host of them, and they have been bottom feeders for years, even with these picks.... It is about picking the right players of course, but that also can be done in other ways as well. having cap flexibility is one way.. The lakers did it when they got shaq, because I don't think kobe was a top 5 or 10 pick, if I am not mistaken...

So what let's talk about who's playing in the playoffs and have a chance at a chip. This is the reason the games are played. Obviously there are no guarantees we all know this, as much as when fans who say making the playoffs would make a world of difference on our young players. I could site several examples where this isn't true nor a guarantee. I'm going to take this as an out in which the Top 4 teams in each conference you can't find one who doesn't have a player in the Top 5 or Top 10. Matter of fact as things stand now of the current teams each of them drafted their own player, they didn't even trade for them.


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 9:34 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by GallOfFame:

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

It's funny how posters like you had all this input on the exact recipe I SAY UGH could have followed to not doom/do himself in but if you apply similar reasoning to the untouchable pieces of Teflon that's a No No! I've heard statements echoed on this board in the past stating we should follow San Antonio or Detroit as a recipe model to follow very rarely if ever refuted. So I guess we'll invent out our methodology to success.

Once again look at the teams who are contenders and tell me how many players on these teams were picked in the Top 10 in the draft, then tell me how many of them were picked in the Top 5. Yes we have Gallo but he isn't what I would call franchise talent and every GM is warranted a mulligan. We have another chance to strike. The more opportunities you land in the Top 10 the greater your chances increase at successful longevity. I'm hoping we achieve the absolute best possible draft position we can get and our GM and I guess I SAY UGH(depending on how well one thinks he's responsible for having an eye for talent) makes a home run pick like he did with Reggie Miller. This reverse psycho Bull Ish doesn't work anymore Blue. If that's not good enough for you go weave Wicker Baskets or do Chinese Crosswords Puzzles or something.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-10-2009 6:34 PM]

Dude, don't confuse Isiah the GM with D'Antoni the coach. To carry over the same complaints to lay them on a new regeim's doorstep doesn't make sense. Walsh has already made the moves I demanded of Isiah: he banished the losers and dumped all the long term salaries that he could. Management acquiesced to our demands, so why are you still carrying a torch? Isiah was an idiot, he did everything ass backwards, but that doesn't apply to Walsh, they are not the same GM, why are you pretending they are?

There was a poll a couple of weeks ago asking what would we prefer, to make the playoffs or get a high draft pick. I voted to get a high draft pick - that is what I'd prefer. But there's only so many steps one can realistically take to get us there. The GM has dumped our 4 highest scorers. What more do you expect of him and the coach? be specific.

If you asked me what I wanted from Isiah do you think I'd need to dodge and stonewall like you are doing?

And I said nothing here about Chicago. I don't care where you're from, you're FOS if you came from Brooklyn. But according to your own story you bailed on Chi the very first year Michael that Micheal left and they began their rebuild. If you couldn't deal with a rebuild for your lifelong team why should we think you could for the team you adopted?

Dude, it's not that you were a Bulls fan, and it's not that I resent having my name attached to your racist and obnoxious comments - it's that I don't think you are about the Knicks in the way you think you are. I think you've simply become addicted to being contrarian, and you've lost any sense of wit, wisdom and perspective. You're not about the Knicks, you're about feeding your addiction.
Now stop crying about it and answer the questions. What is it you desire D and W to actually do?

very well said, especially the bolded part. It is that very thing that takes a potentially good and enjoyable poster and makes him, one that can be very grinding on the nerves, and that is sad.. It doesn't have to be that way..



[Edited by - tkf on 10-02-2009 8:10 PM]

If it were true but since it's a lie Shame on the both of you.

TKF the coach gets judged on his declaration of wins and losses and his statement this team will make the playoffs. If we don't he fails as a coach. Even he's stated this himself. He said the roster is better after the trades. He should prove it as a coach. Why you take offense to the critiquing is baffling. You can critique the coach yet still prefer losses. I root as a fan for our future... I critique as a critic on his performance, it's just that simple. IMO he's lost at least 4gms this season on coaching alone maybe more. Before the 4gm losing streak fans were talking about COY consideration and now afterward fans are crapping on the roster again. It's interesting to note Lee should be an All-Star according to the masses(this I can see being a valid and strong argument), Nate should be leading 6th MOY candidate, Pringles COY yet we're almost 10gms under .500, and 1/2gm back of the pace I SAY UGH set with the Evident Progress 2006-2007 season 22-28 on February 10th. Why does Pringles look so great this season?

I'm a solid poster regardless because if I had the other opinion I'd be you. I'm not you and you're not me. Just because we differ on solutions or desires doesn't elevate or demote a poster vs the next.

unfortunately what you do is really not critiquing..... too bad you see it otherwise, but it isn't..... You go over the top and you go on crusades to make sure everyone hears you, it goes far beyond a critique... Everyone here pointed out Dantoni made a mistake, even the so called Dantoni lovers, but that is not enough for you, he has to be Danphony, he has to have an Isiah-esque agenda, he has to be tanking, he has to be conspiring with walsh... It is neverending and borderline childish, and anyone who just says , we don't agree with your sometimes over the top views, then we are dantoni lovers and he is beyond reproach.. really that kind of behavior is bush league gall, and you do that to try to get under posters skin who don't see things as you do.. I see this among other posters as well on the other site, I won't mention... Critiques can be met with opposition, doesn't mean the one's opposing are lovers, haters or feel that anyone is above reproach.....

Posted by martin:

all I know is that whenever I read Isles or Gall, I get the feeling their troll count goes up and up.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, Gall, what is the exact recipe for failure that you demand?

Walsh and D'Antoni have already traded or banished our four largest contracts and leading scorers (Marbury, Crawford, Eddy and Zach). What else do you require, that D" coaches the team on how to lose ("okay guys, remember to get an 8 sec violation or dribble the ball off your foot") or that Walsh trades producers with short contracts like Lee, Chandler, Harrington and Duhon, for garbage?

We're already fielding a team of 6th, 7th and 8th men, is that to good for your demands? Should we shut down Lee and Chandler and stunt their development so that we can feature Robeson and Malik? Is that your recipe for failure, or success, or whatever it is you're really out for?

Face it Gall, there is nothing the Knicks can do to satisfy you. You're not here to be satisfied, you're only here to be galled.

what is odd is that he scolds people who roots for wins, and win we lose he rushes to post articles to place blame on Dantoni... Dantoni wins, he loses, if dantoni loses, he loses.. LOL..

I, for one, haven't made a big deal about any particular wins or losses this season but when you lose a game the way they did on Sunday, it's impossible not to. Antoni did such a bad job coaching at the end of the game, it had to be brought up for discussion. First, it was so blatantly obvious that he messed up by not ordering them to use the foul they had to give, but secondly it was a repeated mistake as Pharezone pointed out in the game thread.

This all goes to the old argument that Antoni isn't a very good coach at the end of close games, which is a big reason why his teams have underachieved in the playoffs. At the end of close games, his teams have difficulty playing half court offense and defense. That's a reflection of the head coach.

If all of that isn't pertinent to a Knicks message board and worthy of discussion, then what exactly is? And it has nothing to do with rooting for losses in order to maximize their 2009 draft pick. Next year, when they don't own their draft pick and can't maximize their draft position by losing games, if I, or anybody else, roots for them to lose a single game then it's fair game to call us out. But until then, it's absolutely reasonable for Knicks fans to be rooting for losses.

lose a game what way isle? the blazers are better, they went on an 8-0 run, this game had nothing to do with not taking a foul, or dantoni forgetting to call for a foul, but had everything to do with getting outclassed the last 2 minutes of a game by a team with a player or two (roy and outlaw) who outperformed our starters.. Or are you telling me, it should have been a given that we beat the blazers and stop roy on that last play.. Better teams than us have been on the losing end of Roys daggers!!!

I love it. Even Antoni admits that he cost the team the game because of his bad coaching but you still refuse to admit as much.

Just more of the same ole "See No Evil", when it comes to anything that Walsh or Antoni does. I suggest you take Antoni to task, not for his coaching mistake, but for having the audacity to blame Antoni for something. That's a big no no around here. He can never make a mistake and shame on anybody for criticizing him for anything.

Posted by martin:

all I know is that whenever I read Isles or Gall, I get the feeling their troll count goes up and up.

Some of the guys I've conflicted most deeply with include some of my favorite posters (Islesfan, TKF, oohah, Pharzeone, TMS, misterearl, Bippity, holfresh, NYNY, to name a few).

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Gall, Martin, Andrew and fellow posters. I apologize for getting personal. I think I have this out of my system now. I welcome your criticisms of me in return, and look forward to getting back to basketball.

I accept your apology.

I'm a centrist in this whole thing. When Isiah was here, this place was an utter wreck. Now it's still a wreck. We essentially have the same roster as last year except that we eliminated our veterans and replaced them with young guys and rentals. I knew we were going to be in the 30-35 win range so now that we are, why would I be upset???

Now I do however understand why others can be upset. I understand why some think that D'antoni is the wrong guy. You don't have to like D'Antoni. You can hate the guy too. He wasn't my first choice either. Same with gall. You don't have to like the pick. You have every right to hate the pick and wish you had someone else. Same with hating/loving Nate or David or Al or Wilson. It's all good. I think Earl's Chandler manlove is hilarious and way over the top. But regardless of what I think it shouldn't matter. He should go on with his man love and not have to apologize for it. Same with Isles/Briggs dislike of Gallo. They don't have to apologize for it. I personally don't think it's normal to call your own player that you drafted a bust 15 games into his career but again who cares what I think. The problem isn't the opinion it's the approach. It's the 800 posts and responses all with the same theme or story. This is not done to inform or debate or converse, it's done to annoy and anger for their own personal gain. That's what I and some others have a problem with.

Show your self-esteem and strong sense of self. Have enough belief in your opinion and ability to communicate it that you don't feel you have to mention it 17 times a day.