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2/7/2009  11:03 PM
good thing he's not a Euro then.
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2/7/2009  11:06 PM
Good for Bogut.

Let the Knicks handle Gallinari they way they want to. Better be careful with him for the rest of the season than risking him in a probably lost season. If the Knicks make the playoffs, its because of team ball, he can help that in monitored minutes.

This is a ridiculous knee-jerk question. Gallo came back from a serious injury and if the best way to go is to play it safe, I'd rather do that than risk a more important future. Anybody that comes with the "if he is gonna be so fragile why drafting him" are just too shortsighted. A young player had an injury, came back and is helping in limited minutes. The team is still playing tough and winning more than expected. Thats the bottom line.

Let the guy recover like planned. Knee-jerk decisions tend to go wrong.


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2/8/2009  1:08 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.

name one poster who said that..

stop making up arguments BRIGGS!!!

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2/8/2009  1:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....
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2/8/2009  1:32 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....


Even I have my concerns about the kid but don't stoop to these ridiculous levels. What a shame.
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2/8/2009  1:55 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....


Even I have my concerns about the kid but don't stoop to these ridiculous levels. What a shame.

I am not sure, are you referring to briggs or me?
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2/8/2009  2:20 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....


Even I have my concerns about the kid but don't stoop to these ridiculous levels. What a shame.

I am not sure, are you referring to briggs or me?



The latter of course.
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2/8/2009  6:00 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Bogut is averaging a double double and has had back problems all year. He has attempted to 'played through it' and has an 'actual diagnosis' from a doctor. He also is one of the leagues leading shot blockers.

Are you sure that Bogut is one of the leagues leading shot blockers?
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2/8/2009  8:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by CrushAlot:

There is no way a guy who is such a defensive liability can start on a team. As soon as he goes into the game the guy he is covering becomes the go to guy on offense. You can't say that about Q, Jeffries, Lee, or Chandler. He has a nice outside shot but he struggles handling the ball against NBA competition. All rookies face a learning curve and have to adjust to the NBA. My biggest concern with Gallo is that he is so far behind defensively and is playing for a coach who does not coach defense.

This is why he wasnt a 6 pick. If Ryan Andersen starts on a better team at the same age with less experience and has been performing well than why shouldnt OUR guy do that? He was a HIGH lottery pick????? Is his back any more balky starting then coming off the bench or do the Knicks not want his skills exposed against tier one players in the NBA?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-07-2009 5:03 PM]

1) Ryan Anderson is averaging all of 19.5 minutes a game and was not averaging even that after having played 11 games - which is how many games it's been since Gallo has been back and Anderson was not a start after 12 games

2) Other rookies aren't coming off an injury and that the Knicks have stated they don't think Gallo is 100% that's why he's not playing in back to back games.

3) Even some of the healthy top picks that are starting are not playing starter minutes Beasely (23.2) Love (24.7) and I'll add in last year #1 G Oden is averaging 22.8.

You want to see Gallo start to prove your point. The Knicks I'm sure would rather have Gallo play against second stringers to start his career - that's not unusual. You bring along your players in the way you feel will lead to their best long-term production and in consideration of your team goals. I don't think the Knicks expected Gallo to lead them to the promised land this year. I believe without the injury he would be playing more and that his playing time will increase if his injury is not a problem. More so I believe even if he was starting - you still can't judge a draft choice in one year.

Hold you fire. If he turns out to be a bust - I'm sure you'll be telling us all about it in a couple of years.
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2/8/2009  9:55 AM
Gallo needs to start over Q, why wait for the inevitable. Let him take his growing pains right now and have him ready to go next year with a lot of play time. There is no point bringing him off the bench when he is already better than Q or Jefferies. The Knicks fans tend to be overly patient. Just as Durant last season played a lot of minutes so should Gallo and Chandler for that matter.

Why are the Knicks so concerned with Q and Jefferies is beyond me they are not part of the future they don't need the playing experience and they are hurting lottery position and are not helping the playoff situation. People are quick to point out that Gallo isn't good at defense. I think you learn defense by playing and you get better and better at it. You have to at some point let him take his lumps and there will be lumps along the way if he plays only 15 minutes or if he plays 35 minutes I say get it all out of the way ASAP. If the Knicks don't throw him into the line of fire now then he will be taking lumps again next year. The Knicks should use this year to get Gallo NBA tough and I don't think 15-20 minutes a game is going to cut it not if you want him playing at a star level.

Like I said before he can hurt his back in minute 1 or he can hurt it on minute 15. When a player is on the court he is at risk for injury and it can be anyone.
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2/8/2009  11:13 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.
seriously who is calling him great? He's showing a nice skill set. He's a versatile 6'10 player who needs a lot of seasoning. The best thing I can say is I get why we drafted him at 6. When he has his first 30 point game he will be the next Dirk. Then after a bad week he will be the next Frye. Then he will have a good stretch and be the next KVH. Then Bayless will have a 40 point game and its a week of "how does Knick management have jobs after passing on this guy?" then Bayless will go back to being Jamal Crawford light, then Rooster will hit a game winner or two and have "Bird like potential" then he will miss a couple games with a sprained ankle and when you factor in the ankle and the back he becomes "injury prone" then fishmike will drink more tequilla.

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2/8/2009  11:33 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Bogut is averaging a double double and has had back problems all year. He has attempted to 'played through it' and has an 'actual diagnosis' from a doctor. He also is one of the leagues leading shot blockers.

Are you sure that Bogut is one of the leagues leading shot blockers?

47th in the league in blocks per game, 1.0 blocks in 31.2 minutes per game. I would say he's not a league leading shot blocker.
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P.S. An apt analogy I think would be Joba Chamberlain. BRIGGS, are you a Yankees fan? Are you outraged that the Yankees refuse to pitch him 200+ innings to avoid overworking him and potentially having him suffer a devastating arm injury? Or is better that they limit his innings by using him in the bullpen (where he can contribute, but not nearly as much) so that they worry a lot less about his future?
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Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....


Even I have my concerns about the kid but don't stoop to these ridiculous levels. What a shame.

I am not sure, are you referring to briggs or me?



The latter of course.

me? how was that ridiculous? care to elaborate..
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2/8/2009  1:03 PM
Im baffled how this conversation can go on for so long, it's utter ridiculous to think that gallo should start.
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Posted by knicks1248:

Im baffled how this conversation can go on for so long, it's utter ridiculous to think that gallo should start.


When the players ahead of him are Jefferies and Q its not that hard to imagine.
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2/8/2009  5:35 PM
Gallo to start tonight against Portland. Wilson Chandler in the starting lineup as well.
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Posted by Finestrg:

Gallo to start tonight against Portland. Wilson Chandler in the starting lineup as well.


I knew it all along.
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Posted by GallOfFame:
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really was to say to the people calling this guy great already--hey let me see it. I see a very marginal looking talent. If he is all that--if he has no physical restrictions---go do it against frontline tier one players as a starter. The Knicks have NOTHINg to lose with sitting Jefferies. Larry Bird was Larry Bird at 20--great players are already great at 20. He has been playing pro ball for 4 years. If he has all of this talent--I would think I would get him into the starting PF position over a guy shooting 38% who can't make a lay up. If the Nets are willing to let Andersen start 4 same age less experience--if this guy is so talented and battle tested against top notch European players--let him start. If he is that good it can ONLy help the team.
What is patience--I don't get it--why is Derrick rose starting--why dont they bring him along slowly? Why is Eric Gordon starting? We have a need the PF Jeffries is terrible--we won 25 games last year--the guy is playing 25 minutes no restrictions--he had no surgery--so what is the deal? Hide him to play against second line players? Cant seem to dribble like the Euro courts? Cant seem to hold American players in front of him? He should be more skilled than that right??


People are acting like this is an 18 year old out of HS and he is NOT. Let him go--I hope he plays well believe me--we need something to get Jefferies out of there. Im willing to be patient with Gallinari--but let him go out there and take the bumps and bruises against the top guys.


when larry bird was 20, he was in college. Larry came to the NBA in 1979, he was born in 1956, so larry was 23 briggs, 3 years older than gallo. I would love to see gallo when he is 23.. Your argument is ridiculous, weak, agenda driven and shortsighted.....


Even I have my concerns about the kid but don't stoop to these ridiculous levels. What a shame.

I am not sure, are you referring to briggs or me?



The latter of course.

me? how was that ridiculous? care to elaborate..


I meant former sorry TKF.... late night dyslexia.
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Posted by Finestrg:

Gallo to start tonight against Portland. Wilson Chandler in the starting lineup as well.


Alright now all critiquing will be valid.
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