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Pharzeone
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2/1/2009  8:50 PM
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You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

That dj is one prolific poster.

i'm the chris bosh of this forum...

So you hate the Raptors now too?
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2/1/2009  11:19 PM
When I was leaving back in Latvia (country of just 2 mil of people) I was a fan of local Hockey and bbal teams. It was no way they will win something being in the same league with Russian teams but they had their moments and local stars.
Winning is cool, but I think being a fan is taking your teams home ant treat them as your family members, in bad times and in good times. And you cannot easily switch the family so it is not easy to switch the teams. But it happened... Live is live.


[Edited by - arkrud on 02-01-2009 11:20 PM]
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?

No I said 35wins this season, go look it up if you want. When my criticism of our coach rose about 4weeks ago I was told 35wins was actually wishful thinking, 30wins was probably the best we could do and the roster was barely worthy to be coached. I thought the trades were pretty much a wash in talent for development, except left us with less depth. He said we were better after the trades... so if we're going by what he says or doesn't say well I'm taking him on his word.

Kobe has matured and moved on from "SHIP BYNUM'S ARSE OUT FOR KIDD" to "OMFG I THINK I ALMOST KILLED OUR CHAMPIONSHIP HOPES IN 1 PLAY BY BLOWING OUT BYNUM'S KNEE" all in just a matter of 1 yr. Kobe wasn't a good leader 1 yr and a half ago Phil has stated several times Kobe has grown as a leader so at the time I made the statement yes it held true. The difference between the two no matter how selfish and jerky they choose to be Kobe is by far the elite player and isn't a stupid basketball player.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-02-2009 02:13 AM]
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2/2/2009  2:15 AM
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?

Blue, you are arguing with your former rival and stalker on this forum. A guy that has coined and beaten to death the phrases D'Antonio Sabbato Jr and Donnie Washed Up.
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2/2/2009  3:45 AM
man, I read this thread and think it's ridiculous... not so much dj, because it's his time and his money and he can do whatever he damned well pleases with both... more that many seem to approach this basketball team with a religion-like sanctity and think that prioritization is commendable. The only reason I root for the Knicks is because my dad took me to games growing up and the team reminds me of home. But I went all of last season without watching a game because the team wasn't worth my time or money, which I guess disqualifies me from the technical definition of a diehard. Oh well.
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2/2/2009  5:28 AM
dj will be a true blue Knicks fan again once we start winning... 2010 my man... keep the faith.
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2/2/2009  7:50 AM
i could never root for another team. some seasons i try to care about a west coast team after the knicks get eliminated from the playoff race... and i still wind up caring more about the meaningless knicks games. maybe i'm a masochist.

i will say that, if anything, firing brown made me more of a fan. i hate that guy. i'd love it if we could beat out the bobcats for the last playoff spot this season.
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2/2/2009  8:13 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

man, I read this thread and think it's ridiculous... not so much dj, because it's his time and his money and he can do whatever he damned well pleases with both... more that many seem to approach this basketball team with a religion-like sanctity and think that prioritization is commendable. The only reason I root for the Knicks is because my dad took me to games growing up and the team reminds me of home. But I went all of last season without watching a game because the team wasn't worth my time or money, which I guess disqualifies me from the technical definition of a diehard. Oh well.


This isn't mine but was sent out in interoffice e-mail a little while ago when the Rays were in the World Series. Very funny.

How to be a Bandwagon Fan

Step1 Choose a team that has enjoyed a good amount of success. Becoming a bandwagon fan of a very successful team will keep you from having to switch again next year.

Step2 Cheer for a player instead of a specific team. When that player leaves a team, cheer for whichever team he plays for. Be sure to choose a very talented player, though, as his team is more likely to be successful.

Step3 Claim to have always admired your new team. Being a bandwagon fan involves a little bit of fibbing every now and then.

Step4 Buy cheap and generic apparel from your favorite team. Since you’re just a bandwagon fan, there is no need to spend $100 on a unique game-day jersey.

Step5 Once your team starts losing, stop cheering for that team. If somebody asks you about this, simply tell the person that you don’t really care all that much about this particular team, anyway.

Step6 Change teams every couple of years. A bandwagon fan has little loyalty to any one team. If another team becomes dominant, switch your allegiance to that team.

Step7 Don’t pay a lot of attention to your team until the playoffs. Everybody knows that bandwagon fans come out when their team is on the verge of a championship. Once the playoffs start, wear your cheap sweatshirt and support “your team” loudly.
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2/2/2009  8:26 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?
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D.J. You put your foot in it and you need to clairify, or adjust your statement of not being a Knicks fan anymore. You were one of the most respected posters on the site. You are in jepordy of loosing that. OH people will post with you and exchange opinions with you but you will have lost a lot of Knick fans respect for you. They won't hate you and if they see you on the street they will smile and give you a hug. But something will always be missing.

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2/2/2009  8:47 AM
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my point is that this whole "sticking with a team stuff" doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. they are team that provides entertainment. if you are no longer entertained, why continue to watch and follow them?
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D.J. You put your foot in it and you need to clairify, or adjust your statement of not being a Knicks fan anymore. You were one of the most respected posters on the site. You are in jepordy of loosing that. OH people will post with you and exchange opinions with you but you will have lost a lot of Knick fans respect for you. They won't hate you and if they see you on the street they will smile and give you a hug. But something will always be missing.

LOL. that's alright papabear. it's simple. i loved the knicks. then i became a season ticket holder. i still loved the knicks but then as each year went by i started hating everything about them. the players, but most importantly management and ownership. to the point i realized that i no longer cheered for them. and at the same time, i found enjoyment in another team. so am i knicks fan anymore? the answer to that is no. but i don't hate the team anymore. they are just another team to me and i can talk about them objectively now since i don't have an emotional attachment. and if you read my posts over the last year, i talked more about basketball in general as opposed to things knicks specific. what others may think of my opinion really doesn't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. i've met alot of people from this site so that's why i continue to post here. but you rarely see me talk about many things knicks specific anymore. i'll leave that to y'all since you watch the team every night.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-02-2009 08:50 AM]
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Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Posted by djsunyc:
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Posted by djsunyc:


...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?

Blue, you are arguing with your former rival and stalker on this forum. A guy that has coined and beaten to death the phrases D'Antonio Sabbato Jr and Donnie Washed Up.

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2/2/2009  9:23 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:


...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?

No I said 35wins this season, go look it up if you want. When my criticism of our coach rose about 4weeks ago I was told 35wins was actually wishful thinking, 30wins was probably the best we could do and the roster was barely worthy to be coached. I thought the trades were pretty much a wash in talent for development, except left us with less depth. He said we were better after the trades... so if we're going by what he says or doesn't say well I'm taking him on his word.

I was responding to your post in this thread, which I believe spoke to 25-30 wins before you edited it.

The argument was that the trades would allow us to break even in talent, at best, and that was if Mobley were active. I know this because I was one of the few arguing that we would keep pace after the trade, and that was my position. Putting aside the talent differential (theoretical or otherwise,) the point is that regardless of what was coming back, Slach and Crawful were our 2 highest scorers, so replacing both at the same time, mid-season, with just about anyone would entail an adjustment period - let alone when your replacements amount to nothing more than Harrington and TT. On top of that we only had 7 guys to suit up, so guy were getting very extended minutes. And these were guys who formerly came off the bench, so big minutes was an adjustments in itself.

Taking the point one step further, do you deny that D'Antoni has done as good a job as can be expected with this raggamuffin group of 6th men?

[quote]Kobe has matured and moved on from "SHIP BYNUM'S ARSE OUT FOR KIDD" to "OMFG I THINK I ALMOST KILLED OUR CHAMPIONSHIP HOPES IN 1 PLAY BY BLOWING OUT BYNUM'S KNEE" all in just a matter of 1 yr. Kobe wasn't a good leader 1 yr and a half ago Phil has stated several times Kobe has grown as a leader so at the time I made the statement yes it held true. The difference between the two no matter how selfish and jerky they choose to be Kobe is by far the elite player and isn't a stupid basketball player.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-02-2009 02:13 AM]

You also laughed at the Lakers for choosing to keep Kobe over Shaq, because you are smarter than every GM out there. Lolz.



[Edited by - blueseats on 02-02-2009 09:30 AM]
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2/2/2009  10:07 AM
Stephen A. Smith still has a job? I thought he was writing articles for the Pennysaver.
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Posted by Vmart:

Stephen A. Smith still has a job? I thought he was writing articles for the Pennysaver.

lol. he is nowhere to be found, then comes out of the woodwork with this rabid comment. he's probably trying to get some shine back. i can't remember the last time he's ever broke a story or actually had insider info. that's why i don't believe it. but it's good gossip to discuss among the yenta's here.
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2/2/2009  10:12 AM
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I think Marion, Beasley & a first would be a fair trade IMO. Specially if Bosh is pushing the not signing thing.
No way. If you the Raptors are trading Bosh they better get something better than that. Marion is a role player who probably only has a few years left. Bosh might be the best power forward in the game and he has not even reached his peak.

again, SAS has pretty much 0% credibility but i can see bosh leaving. it's a shame b/c if they can keep bosh + bargs + jose together for a while and bring in a wing player, they can be a really good team and pose alot of matchup problems.

I'm not saying the heat wouldn't do 1st round pick, but looking at this from all sides that is a fair. Probably the fairest deal the Raptors could get. Because basically if you trade for Bosh, you need a good team to keep him from walking. So how many teams can make an Al jefferson type trade and still do that........................ I don't see too many.

So gutting your team for bosh versus waiting 18 month to see if your team can pursued Bosh into signing, most teams are going to do the latter.
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2/2/2009  10:16 AM
you have a fair point...but i think/hope colangelo will make a better deal. bosh is gonna be the best PF in the game soon.
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2/2/2009  10:17 AM
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Stephen A. Smith still has a job? I thought he was writing articles for the Pennysaver.

lol. he is nowhere to be found, then comes out of the woodwork with this rabid comment. he's probably trying to get some shine back. i can't remember the last time he's ever broke a story or actually had insider info. that's why i don't believe it. but it's good gossip to discuss among the yenta's here.

I think he still covers the NBA on ESPN and is now just an ESPN contributor.
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When I discussed a Bosh potential trade on here a couple of weeks ago, TMS just dismissed me. I said the Raptors will have the option of getting some reasonable assets or nothing at all. I don't think it is in their court anymore. That theory died about the same time as Jermaine O'Neal's career.
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2/2/2009  10:37 AM
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Of course. Who the hell wants to play in Toronto? The only one who seemed somewhat interested is Steve Nash, who ironically never went.

Actually, Toronto is a far better city to live, imho, than most of the cities we have in the U.S. with NBA teams.

All that stuff about the Canadian dollar is also silly, since it's not like that anymore.

If I were a player I'd MUCH rather play for the Raps than many of the teams in the NBA.
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Posted by PresIke:
Posted by sebstar:

Of course. Who the hell wants to play in Toronto? The only one who seemed somewhat interested is Steve Nash, who ironically never went.

Actually, Toronto is a far better city to live, imho, than most of the cities we have in the U.S. with NBA teams.

All that stuff about the Canadian dollar is also silly, since it's not like that anymore.

If I were a player I'd MUCH rather play for the Raps than many of the teams in the NBA.

Man, **** Canada.
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