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SupremeCommander
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1/31/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Uptown:

Regardless of what Larry did before or after the Knicks gig, he was horrendous here and deserved to be canned.

What pissed me off about that firing is that Isiah and the front office wasn't let go too. If you were going to sign that guy and make a huge commitment to him, then let him got after it clearly didn't work out, you have to let the people responsible for the hiring go too. Every one deserved to get canned after that season, not just Larry.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 01-30-2009 9:42 PM]

I am not sure why you are surprised.
Isn't it exactly like any American corporation works?
Whoever on top makes stupid decisions (and they always do) are in position of power to find scapegoats in any quantity. This is the main reason why we are in this s..t now.
As usual the system is rotten from the top and we better figure out how put this "generation" of executive on pension as fast as possible and start working again.

Surprised and pissed are two entirely different beasts
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1/31/2009  1:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

Got it? Good for you.

BTW, did he apologize or compliment him? Reezy looks like he does "get it" these days.



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1/31/2009  8:47 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

Got it? Good for you.

BTW, did he apologize or compliment him? Reezy looks like he does "get it" these days.

My only problem is that I think Reezy was a kid that always got it and could have gotten it in a Knick uniform...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-31-2009 8:54 PM]
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1/31/2009  9:22 PM
Now all he has to do is convince Lebron of his impact. Read the sig fools.
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1/31/2009  9:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

Got it? Good for you.

BTW, did he apologize or compliment him? Reezy looks like he does "get it" these days.

My only problem is that I think Reezy was a kid that always got it and could have gotten it in a Knick uniform...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-31-2009 8:54 PM]

The problem was, changes needed to be made but Isiah wasn't willing to part with his "core" players, like Marbury, Crawford or Eddy. Ariza, however, could be sacrificed.

Isiah, like many here, was in denial that his core was a bust and our peripheral players were the best of the bunch.
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1/31/2009  9:25 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straight, LB apologizes to Reezy for calling him delusional and banishing him from New York...The older and wiser Reezy is now staring for another team...Reezy feels good about things because he is now in a better situation than he would have been in New York, so he says good things about LB...

The love for LB is on again...Got it...

[Edited by - holfresh on 01-30-2009 5:54 PM]

Got it? Good for you.

BTW, did he apologize or compliment him? Reezy looks like he does "get it" these days.

My only problem is that I think Reezy was a kid that always got it and could have gotten it in a Knick uniform...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-31-2009 8:54 PM]

The problem was, changes needed to be made but Isiah wasn't willing to part with his "core" players, like Marbury, Crawford or Eddy. Ariza, however, could be sacrificed.

Isiah, like many here, was in denial that his core was a bust and our peripheral players were the best of the bunch.

Yet, Larry wanted to trade Ariza for Steve Francis because he was Larry's answer to Marbury.
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1/31/2009  9:27 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Now all he has to do is convince Lebron of his impact. Read the sig fools.

Poor Lebron. Its not like he didn't get to play/ Is it really such a crime that as an 18 yr old rookie he should be playing behind all-star veterans like Carlos Boozer, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, and Amare Stoudemir?
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1/31/2009  9:35 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:


Yet, Larry wanted to trade Ariza for Steve Francis because he was Larry's answer to Marbury.

LB has been in the league for decades. How many times has he been responsible for a trade like that and how many for Isiah? At least credit Brown for knowing we needed to get rid of Marbury.
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1/31/2009  9:39 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Yet, Larry wanted to trade Ariza for Steve Francis because he was Larry's answer to Marbury.

LB has been in the league for decades. How many times has he been responsible for a trade like that and how many for Isiah? At least credit Brown for knowing we needed to get rid of Marbury.

Brown also had issues with LeBron and Wade on the Olympic team...He played LeBron limited minutes...I guess he was right there as well...

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1/31/2009  9:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Yet, Larry wanted to trade Ariza for Steve Francis because he was Larry's answer to Marbury.

LB has been in the league for decades. How many times has he been responsible for a trade like that and how many for Isiah? At least credit Brown for knowing we needed to get rid of Marbury.

Brown also had issues with LeBron and Wade on the Olympic team...He played LeBron limited minutes...I guess he was right there as well...


I addressed that a couple of posts above.
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1/31/2009  9:46 PM

LB is a good coach but sucked with us...He tried to high jack the organization...He deserved the capitol punishment he received even though Isiah was a dunce...
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1/31/2009  10:28 PM
Posted by holfresh:


LB is a good coach but sucked with us...He tried to high jack the organization...He deserved the capitol punishment he received even though Isiah was a dunce...


You probably consider D'Antoni to be hijacking the organization as well. I mean choosing Duhon over Marbury, how dare he! That's almost as bad as LB wanting Earl Watkins!

LB was embattled with Marbury and Isiah. Since then Marbury has been working his way out of the league and Isiah has been on suicide watch, WHILE LB has been in the front office of Philly and back on the sidelines in Charlotte, doing a good job. You may not recognize winners from losers, but the league does.

We all know LB can be a diva, but Isiah hired and then castrated two HOF coaches in succession. His unwillingness to share power or to discipline and subjugate his players made success impossible. I only wish he were still around to roll this COY under the bus too.
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1/31/2009  10:31 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB is a good coach but sucked with us...He tried to high jack the organization...He deserved the capitol punishment he received even though Isiah was a dunce...


You probably consider D'Antoni to be hijacking the organization as well. I mean choosing Duhon over Marbury, how dare he! That's almost as bad as LB wanting Earl Watkins!

LB was embattled with Marbury and Isiah. Since then Marbury has been working his way out of the league and Isiah has been on suicide watch, WHILE LB has been in the front office of Philly and back on the sidelines in Charlotte, doing a good job. You may not recognize winners from losers, but the league does.

We all know LB can be a diva, but Isiah hired and then castrated two HOF coaches in succession. His unwillingness to share power or to discipline and subjugate his players made success impossible. I only wish he were still around to roll this COY under the bus too.

So what is you excuse for LB trying to undermine Isiah from the very beginning...What u call it, diva??

LB should have showed us his winning pedigree while he was here...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-31-2009 10:36 PM]
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1/31/2009  10:37 PM
LOL at Larry Brown vs. Isiah being the only run-in he's had in his career.

Larry hasnt met an organizational relationship that he he didnt leave in tatters and shambles. This is a cat that openly negotiated with another organization while his current team was in the playoffs. He lacks integrity and there are is a major issue with his moral compass.

But his sycophants will continue to defend him. They will continue to try to convince any any everyone that throughout his career its been everyone else's fault and not Larry's. They weren't strong enough to deal with Larry they'll say. They were too weak, they'll say. All the while hypocritically bashing the likes of T.O and Isiah.

Larry's greatest gift, other than his coaching ability, has been his con job over the media. Nobody else in professional sports history has gotten away with more in relation to the criticism received.
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1/31/2009  10:51 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Yet, Larry wanted to trade Ariza for Steve Francis because he was Larry's answer to Marbury.

LB has been in the league for decades. How many times has he been responsible for a trade like that and how many for Isiah? At least credit Brown for knowing we needed to get rid of Marbury.

Actually Brown is the same guy who wanted to trade while in San Antonio David Robinson, while in Indiana, Reggie Miller, while in Philly, Allen Iverson, while in Detroit, Chauncey Billups. I think you may want to rephrase that question. Generally when Brown come with a trade request you just shake your head and throw it in the garbage. I pretty sure many of those Bobcat Curry trade request had a legit source.
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1/31/2009  10:57 PM
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Martin I never thought it would come to this, but I'm going to have to ban you from your own site. I hearby decree from this moment forward Sebstar and Martin are forever banned for conduct detimental to LB!!!!!!!!!

That ought to do the trick.

Delusional people are rarely funny. Even on good meds. <-----referring to Bip

Coaches who think they are the game, and that the players are not (diva or not) are delusional; the only coach to ever do that and get away with it consistently was Bill Russell, and that was only because he was also the best player there was at the time. The rest who try are egocentric turds like Brownie, with very little in the way of credibility. Which is why they wear out their welcome so seemingly quickly, even after a ring.

Do you think LB cares about wearing out his welcome? Only you and I and the people he upsets care about that. He feels what he does is right and he gets results. That's all he cares about.

That kind of justification doesnt work for other people whose careers have been marked with dysfunctional relationships everywhere they've turned. Why does it work for Larry?

Could you imagine: "Man, T.O's just a great player with a strong will and mind --- those that cant handle him are just mentally weak."...could you imagine how such a statement would be met?
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1/31/2009  11:03 PM
T.O. is an excellent comparison. Both have talent for greatness but have some real issues going on. I am not sure if it is not enough love or just a need to be a diva and the center of attention but it seems to effect them both the same way. Nice sebstar.
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1/31/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by sebstar:

LOL at Larry Brown vs. Isiah being the only run-in he's had in his career.

Who said that?
Larry hasnt met an organizational relationship that he he didnt leave in tatters and shambles.

Define tatters and shambles? Most clubs were made much better by him.
This is a cat that openly negotiated with another organization while his current team was in the playoffs.

That [Detroit] team's management was already openly talking to or about Flip replacing Brown in February of that year, and they could have denied permission to Brown to speak to Cleveland but did not. If the coach talking to another organization was egregious management was equally culpable for it.

Keep in mind, Davidson is the same owner who did the same thing to Rick Carslisle 2 years prior. RC came in, brought them up to 50 wins and got thrown to the curb in favor of LB after 1 season.
He lacks integrity and there are is a major issue with his moral compass.

But his sycophants will continue to defend him. They will continue to try to convince any any everyone that throughout his career its been everyone else's fault and not Larry's. They weren't strong enough to deal with Larry they'll say. They were too weak, they'll say. All the while hypocritically bashing the likes of T.O and Isiah.

Larry's greatest gift, other than his coaching ability, has been his con job over the media. Nobody else in professional sports history has gotten away with more in relation to the criticism received.

You exaggerate. You're too young to have followed LB for long. I suspect you came to hate him for making Iverson pratice and encouraging him to be a leader.

Like most coaches who have a proven style of play, he wants a hand in sculpting the roster. A few years back I took a look at the roster turnover allowed to then far less proven coaches like D'Antoni, Skiles, and I think Nate McMillan and all of them turned over at least 4 players in their first year, and one (I think D'Antoni) turned over like 9. How many did Larry get to purge here, 1?

You can say he likes to move around or wears out his welcome pretty quickly. There's some truth to that (he's had several 2 yr stints) but he's also done 4 years in SA, 4 in Indy, and 6 in Philly. That's not to shabby compared to the national average.

In the end, I don't care if anybody likes him or not, but you can't hire HOF, Championship coaches and treat them like rookies. Isiah did it twice, back-to-back.
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1/31/2009  11:23 PM
Keep preachin Blue.
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1/31/2009  11:24 PM

Huh??...If I remember correctly, Brown was the guy who went to the media and began speaking about the construction of the team...He was the guy who went to the media and questioned the intelligence of the players and the schools they attended...

Brown got treated like a rook because he disrespected himself and his players...
For the love of Larry.........

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