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1/25/2009  2:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...


he made not fit the classic definition of a post player but he is getting better at facing up and finishing down there.

Yeah well Jeffries is better this year at a few things than he was last year...Doesn't mean we should sign him to a longer deal and not pursue a better player...
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1/25/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Lee isn't a post player...Q plays better in the post than Lee does, who are we kidding??
His jumper is too inconsistent to be considered a weapon in his arsenal...

Every time I turn around Lee hits a shot. You are under rating him. Maybe my eyes deceived me last night but I saw David Lee take Elton Brand into the post and go to work and score on him twice with post moves. I think it would be pretty F stupid do let Lee go and hope we get another player. Lee is already very good.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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Lee isn't a post player...Q plays better in the post than Lee does, who are we kidding??
His jumper is too inconsistent to be considered a weapon in his arsenal...

Every time I turn around Lee hits a shot. You are under rating him. Maybe my eyes deceived me last night but I saw David Lee take Elton Brand into the post and go to work and score on him twice with post moves. I think it would be pretty F stupid do let Lee go and hope we get another player. Lee is already very good.

I do agree that Lee is good but is he good enough to pair with star to make a run at a Championship...The answer I think is no...It will be pretty stupid to sign Lee to a big deal and hope another star will see him as a pair that can make a run at a Championship...
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1/25/2009  2:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Lee isn't a post player...Q plays better in the post than Lee does, who are we kidding??
His jumper is too inconsistent to be considered a weapon in his arsenal...

Every time I turn around Lee hits a shot. You are under rating him. Maybe my eyes deceived me last night but I saw David Lee take Elton Brand into the post and go to work and score on him twice with post moves. I think it would be pretty F stupid do let Lee go and hope we get another player. Lee is already very good.

I do agree that Lee is good but is he good enough to pair with star to make a run at a Championship...The answer I think is no...It will be pretty stupid to sign Lee to a big deal and hope another star will see him as a pair that can make a run at a Championship...

lee won't get paid like a superstar player. he will get around $10 mil. superstar players usually make $13+ mil.
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1/25/2009  2:58 PM

If the Knicks can sign Lee and still pursue two stars then fine...If they can't pursue two stars after signing Lee then I'll say no...
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1/25/2009  3:09 PM
Posted by holfresh:


If the Knicks can sign Lee and still pursue two stars then fine...If they can't pursue two stars after signing Lee then I'll say no...

King's point is that we can sign Lee, have room for a superstar and a defensive/rebounding center. I like that combo.

There's a general conception among fans that there are two classes of players - superstars and role players. If a guy scores a certain number of points or does a certain number of things well, he's a superstar. If he scores a few points less and his overall game is a little less, he's a role player and therefore not worthy of being compared to a superstar.

Call Bosh and Lee what you want. I'll grant Bosh is better than Lee. He is. But there isn't a world of difference.
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1/25/2009  3:34 PM
Posted by Ira:
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If the Knicks can sign Lee and still pursue two stars then fine...If they can't pursue two stars after signing Lee then I'll say no...

King's point is that we can sign Lee, have room for a superstar and a defensive/rebounding center. I like that combo.

There's a general conception among fans that there are two classes of players - superstars and role players. If a guy scores a certain number of points or does a certain number of things well, he's a superstar. If he scores a few points less and his overall game is a little less, he's a role player and therefore not worthy of being compared to a superstar.

Call Bosh and Lee what you want. I'll grant Bosh is better than Lee. He is. But there isn't a world of difference.

We will disagree on this one...Bosh creates his own shot, can play adequate defense and is a player that requires attention on the floor...He has floor presence...Lee and a filler as King suggested doesn't...Rodman was a star because he defended while rebounding...He changed the game at times...Bosh can change a game...Lee isn't a game changer...Lee doesn't have court presence... Lee doesn't require attention...You put a true superstar in his prime next to Bosh and you have a contender...You put a superstar next to Lee and they will not be as competitive...

I always compare Lee to Millsap, not a star or a difference maker but will get the job done...But in NY, Lee will get the hype...I think Millsap is a better player...But no one will put Millsap in Bosh' league..



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-25-2009 3:36 PM]
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1/25/2009  3:51 PM
Posted by Ira:

King's point is that we can sign Lee, have room for a superstar and a defensive/rebounding center. I like that
combo.
He said Horford as the defensive C. Horford is under contract till 2011. So in 2010, a superstar will sign here because we have Lee?
There's a general conception among fans that there are two classes of players - superstars and role players. If a guy scores a certain number of points or does a certain number of things well, he's a superstar. If he scores a few points less and his overall game is a little less, he's a role player and therefore not worthy of being compared to a superstar.
Bosh is a superstar, Lee is not. Lee's numbers are great this year but thats because of the D'Antoni offense.
Call Bosh and Lee what you want. I'll grant Bosh is better than Lee. He is. But there isn't a world of difference.
I like Lee. He is one of my favorite Knicks right now. Are you sure you are not overrating Lee because he plays for us? Cause IMO, Bosh is on a different level. He is an offensive machine and can rebound with the best of them.

I want a championship caliber team and I don't think we can attract that type of talent with Lee and a promise of signing Horford.
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1/25/2009  4:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


If the Knicks can sign Lee and still pursue two stars then fine...If they can't pursue two stars after signing Lee then I'll say no...

Agree Holfresh.

I think DJ is right also. 10mill is the max Lee is going to get. I think 5yr/45mill fits the bill.
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1/25/2009  4:31 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...


I said he has some moves. I never said he's a strict post player, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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1/25/2009  4:34 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...



I want to have Bip's children.

I said he has some moves. I never said he's a strict post player, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

That's just crazy....
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1/25/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...


he made not fit the classic definition of a post player but he is getting better at facing up and finishing down there.

Yeah well Jeffries is better this year at a few things than he was last year...Doesn't mean we should sign him to a longer deal and not pursue a better player...




Jared hardly has any skills. Lee has shown the ability to handle, post up a little bit, face up, he's now hitting his jump shot, improving his defense every day, and is a very good passer. How's stuff like that hard to see?

Is he better off being the 3rd best player on a championship team. Sure, but he still has skills that championship teams need, and that's not including the fact that he's developed into a leader AND there's other ways to get a 2nd superstar. We don't HAVE to get two in 2010. There's good free agency classes right after that too. Giving up Lee just for capspace = STUPID.
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1/25/2009  4:46 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...


he made not fit the classic definition of a post player but he is getting better at facing up and finishing down there.

Yeah well Jeffries is better this year at a few things than he was last year...Doesn't mean we should sign him to a longer deal and not pursue a better player...




Jared hardly has any skills. Lee has shown the ability to handle, post up a little bit, face up, he's now hitting his jump shot, improving his defense every day, and is a very good passer. How's stuff like that hard to see?

Is he better off being the 3rd best player on a championship team. Sure, but he still has skills that championship teams need, and that's not including the fact that he's developed into a leader AND there's other ways to get a 2nd superstar. We don't HAVE to get two in 2010. There's good free agency classes right after that too. Giving up Lee just for capspace = STUPID.

So you think Lee is good enough to hitch to a Superstar to make a run at a Championship as the number 2 go to guy?
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1/25/2009  5:12 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't think bitty is saying lee is a post player. but he plays that role on the team as he is the only one in the post getting the ball.

if the knicks don't re-sign lee, maybe they should swing this type of deal: malik + wilson + lee for josh howard + bass...

No but Allanfan20 is...


he made not fit the classic definition of a post player but he is getting better at facing up and finishing down there.

Yeah well Jeffries is better this year at a few things than he was last year...Doesn't mean we should sign him to a longer deal and not pursue a better player...




Jared hardly has any skills. Lee has shown the ability to handle, post up a little bit, face up, he's now hitting his jump shot, improving his defense every day, and is a very good passer. How's stuff like that hard to see?

Is he better off being the 3rd best player on a championship team. Sure, but he still has skills that championship teams need, and that's not including the fact that he's developed into a leader AND there's other ways to get a 2nd superstar. We don't HAVE to get two in 2010. There's good free agency classes right after that too. Giving up Lee just for capspace = STUPID.

So you think Lee is good enough to hitch to a Superstar to make a run at a Championship as the number 2 go to guy?


Is Amare or Bosh? They're not IMO at the level of David Robinson, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, or most of the # 2 guys on championship teams.
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1/25/2009  5:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is Amare or Bosh? They're not IMO at the level of David Robinson, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, or most of the # 2 guys on championship teams.
So lets say the top tier superstar on our team is injured and out for 15 games. Would you be confident with Lee carrying the load or would you rather have Bosh?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-25-2009 5:27 PM]
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Is Amare and Bosh less then Manu/Parker, post back problems David Robinson, Heat Shaq and Billups/Rip/Wallace???

No they aren't. Kobe is the only far and away better player, and I don't think the agreement should be since we can't get two of the top 5 players in the NBA, Lee is alrite.
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1/25/2009  5:50 PM
I am not saying lee is better than bosh i am saying the difference makers are wade and james bosh cant win and he has good players right now. It is much easier getting one max player sign lee and have 7 million to sign another good player. The knicks arent getting two max players and wont have the money to do that. What is going to happen is the knicks will lose lee for nothing and and get a joe johnson and be mediocre. If you traded lee for bosh right now the knicks wouldnt make the playoffs. Bosh doesnt win now so what makes you think he will turn the knicks around i see bosh going to atlanta or going with another star because he has shown he cant carry a team. Bosh to me isd boozer if we can get lebron or wade then you have a chance to win big
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1/25/2009  5:55 PM
Everyone is saying we can sign two max i am saying sign lebron lee and a defensive center instead of taking a chance getting two max players and you only get one your screwed sign lee for 10 not 20 the knicks are putting all their eggs in one basket and one player isnt going to change this team we need more than one
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Posted by King1:

Everyone is saying we can sign two max i am saying sign lebron lee and a defensive center instead of taking a chance getting two max players and you only get one your screwed sign lee for 10 not 20 the knicks are putting all their eggs in one basket and one player isnt going to change this team we need more than one
which defensive center?
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1/25/2009  5:59 PM
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If the Knicks can sign Lee and still pursue two stars then fine...If they can't pursue two stars after signing Lee then I'll say no...

King's point is that we can sign Lee, have room for a superstar and a defensive/rebounding center. I like that combo.

There's a general conception among fans that there are two classes of players - superstars and role players. If a guy scores a certain number of points or does a certain number of things well, he's a superstar. If he scores a few points less and his overall game is a little less, he's a role player and therefore not worthy of being compared to a superstar.

Call Bosh and Lee what you want. I'll grant Bosh is better than Lee. He is. But there isn't a world of difference.

We will disagree on this one...Bosh creates his own shot, can play adequate defense and is a player that requires attention on the floor...He has floor presence...Lee and a filler as King suggested doesn't...Rodman was a star because he defended while rebounding...He changed the game at times...Bosh can change a game...Lee isn't a game changer...Lee doesn't have court presence... Lee doesn't require attention...You put a true superstar in his prime next to Bosh and you have a contender...You put a superstar next to Lee and they will not be as competitive...

I always compare Lee to Millsap, not a star or a difference maker but will get the job done...But in NY, Lee will get the hype...I think Millsap is a better player...But no one will put Millsap in Bosh' league..



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-25-2009 3:36 PM]

How do you know Millsap isnt in Bosh's league? You're acting like Bosh is David Robinson.
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