Posted by Pharzeone:
First, Where did I post that we are getting Lebron and Wade? Please do not misquote me. Thank you.
Much like Pippen and Jordan, I didn't see the hype about Kukoc so you are addressing the poster. He was a regulated role player that was originally drafted as a means to replace Pippen instead of paying him. So if the Knicks used a sixth pick on a player they hope will be a third wheel than that is troubling, actually it is very troubling. Krause was smart enough not to do that.
Secondly, Lebron James or D Wade reached the finals without the likes of a Gallinari, so something tells me they will do fine with or without him (I guess that is kinda terse but accurate).
Thirdly, what makes him a team guy? If you say it enough times and get other people to repeat it doesn't make it true. He passes the ball, guess what so do other players on the team other than Harrington and Nate. The Knicks are among the leaders in assist but what has that translated into. Orlando and Cleveland are in the bottom yet are among the best teams in the league. The answer get better dominating players.
Finally, I think you already posted your agenda but mine only seems to be maximizing quality of pick based on their perspective location. Drafting a player because he does something that is not common for players his size is not reasonable in personal opinion.
[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-18-2009 8:10 PM]
You were responding to another poster's theory equating Kukoc to Gallinari. Read your post and his. It was proposed that having a Kukoc type talent (Gallinari) would fit in well if the Knicks were to someday get James and Bosh, the idea being, I assume, that you need complimentary players to go along with your stars.
I don't think that is why the Knicks drafted him, though- they were looking for a versatile player who could shoot, pass, and fit into the game MDA wants to play. (By the way, being a "team" player does not only mean you pass the ball.) They were also looking for a character player. Whether you think our "system" will succeed is another issue, but when Westbrook went off the board, they felt that the Italian was the best choice.
I think I would defend any player on this team who has faced the ignorant comments and speculation that Gallinari has faced on this board. For about the 50th time I will say that you need time before you can really call a draft pick a bust or a solid pick. Except for Rose, Mayo, and Lopez, you can find significant faults/shortcomings with any of the other players drafted in the first 15 picks.
The only guy who has really caught my eye among the players drafted after the Knicks picked is Lopez, and if I was running the Knicks and I knew he could play like he is now playing, I think I would have chosen him over Gallinari.
Yeah, Miami and Wade won a title without Gallinari, but he and Shaq had a lot of role players- Posey, Haslem, Walker, Payton, and Mourning, the latter three being stars who played diminished roles in order to win a championship.
James lacked a supporting cast, especially on the offensive end, and found he could not win a title without additional help no matter how great he played, but his team played the kind of D that would keep them in a game and allow LeBron's magic to have meaning.
The Celtics won last year because 3 stars fit their games into a team concept.
The two Knicks title teams had some fine players, but I would not consider any of them to be "dominant" players in the sense that people use the term today.
People have probably overreacted to Gallinari's game because he seemingly rose from the dead to have his 15 minutes of "fame." Still a long time to go before you can call him a good pick, but at least he has given some people cause to think that he might be worth the pick and the $$.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
1/18/2009 8:47 PM
