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As far as I'm concerned, Gallinari is healthy
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1/18/2009  8:23 AM
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the other part about Gallinari and why I don't like the pick is that he plays the one position we are completely stocked at. Harrington, Chandler, DLee, Tim, Jefferies make up 5 of the 8 guys in the rotation. we need a SG or a backup PG so much more than a Gallo type right now.

Bayless would be perfect. I cannot believe they passed on him. I really thought Bayless would go 4th.

bro, i always respect ur input on threads but i seriously don't get ur fascination w/Bayless talking about him as if he were putting up OJ Mayo like numbers this year... i mean come on dude, the guy's putting up the same exact #'s that Robersuck is this year... how u gonna sit here & call him a stud that could have turned our season around by 5 more wins or whatnot if we had taken this kid based on what he's shown this season? i just don't get that at all.
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1/19/2009  9:37 AM
UltimateKnicks: "Where perfectly normal people go to pisse themselves off for no reason"

Give him time, he's 20. If he sucks this year and turns out to be a star 5 years from now, does it really matter that he sucked this year? If he shows immense potential, dominates early and then hurts his back and never plays again, does his immense potential really matter? Too many scenarios to name, but you get the point.........Patience. Stop being irrational little school girls/boys
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1/19/2009  10:17 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
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""It is about getting healthy," D'Antoni said. "That is the No. 1 priority. I'm not ready to say he's not going to play this year. I'm not ready to say that in a month or two he won't be ready. But realistically I don't think anybody really knows. I'm not worried about it. The only thing we're worried about is getting him 100% well. If it takes all year, it takes all year. But we're not going to push him.

"I'm worried about it, but at this point, we're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he has to be 100% well. And I don't know when that point will be.""

This is what D'Antoni said on Nov 11, 2008 and I'm going to take him at his word. As far as anyone is concerned, Gallinari is 100% and ready. No reason to hold him back anymore and certainly no reason to use his back as an excuse.


Based on his experience in the "superior" Euroleague and the skills we've been told he possesses, I expect his learning curve to be much shorter than for someone who played in the inferior NCAA. Seeing how the Knicks run such basic sets, it's only a matter of time before Gallinari is playing at least 20 minutes a game and showing why he was the 6th pick. I figure by the all star break.

Gallo is the only one that can state if he is 100% or not. You opinion on if he is 100% does not hold weight.

The problem though is that once you have a bad back, then it will always be bad. Larry Johnson was a prime example of that. Great competitive player, but wasn't around when we really needed him. I learned that a long time ago.

Some of the most successful teams in the history of the league are for the most part some of the healthiest teams, with little question. This kid Galo has all kinds of questions so far and he's only played two game in his career.
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1/19/2009  11:15 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

UltimateKnicks: "Where perfectly normal people go to pisse themselves off for no reason"

Give him time, he's 20. If he sucks this year and turns out to be a star 5 years from now, does it really matter that he sucked this year? If he shows immense potential, dominates early and then hurts his back and never plays again, does his immense potential really matter? Too many scenarios to name, but you get the point.........Patience. Stop being irrational little school girls/boys

How can we prove that we were right later if we don't stake out a bold position on the subject now?

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1/19/2009  11:19 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

UltimateKnicks: "Where perfectly normal people go to pisse themselves off for no reason"

Give him time, he's 20. If he sucks this year and turns out to be a star 5 years from now, does it really matter that he sucked this year? If he shows immense potential, dominates early and then hurts his back and never plays again, does his immense potential really matter? Too many scenarios to name, but you get the point.........Patience. Stop being irrational little school girls/boys

How can we prove that we were right later if we don't stake out a bold position on the subject now?

Simple answer, you do what I do. You wait until it all shakes out. Then whatever the result is, you sweep in and say "see, I was trying to warn you!"

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-01-2009 11:20 AM]
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1/19/2009  11:21 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

UltimateKnicks: "Where perfectly normal people go to pisse themselves off for no reason"

Give him time, he's 20. If he sucks this year and turns out to be a star 5 years from now, does it really matter that he sucked this year? If he shows immense potential, dominates early and then hurts his back and never plays again, does his immense potential really matter? Too many scenarios to name, but you get the point.........Patience. Stop being irrational little school girls/boys

How can we prove that we were right later if we don't stake out a bold position on the subject now?

Simple answer, you do what I do. You wait until it all shakes out. Then whatever the result is, you sweep in and say "see, I was trying to warn you!"

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-01-2009 11:20 AM]

I agree - that's the beauty of the ambiguous position.
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1/19/2009  11:27 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

UltimateKnicks: "Where perfectly normal people go to pisse themselves off for no reason"

Give him time, he's 20. If he sucks this year and turns out to be a star 5 years from now, does it really matter that he sucked this year? If he shows immense potential, dominates early and then hurts his back and never plays again, does his immense potential really matter? Too many scenarios to name, but you get the point.........Patience. Stop being irrational little school girls/boys

How can we prove that we were right later if we don't stake out a bold position on the subject now?

Simple answer, you do what I do. You wait until it all shakes out. Then whatever the result is, you sweep in and say "see, I was trying to warn you!"

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-01-2009 11:20 AM]

But you have to stake out a BOLD position now' so no one can say you were lying later, because later, once the post disappears, you can't prove it anymore. Oohah tried to do that to me, when I was trying to make a point about Bynum almost a year ago. I'm not an ambusher like you either, because people usually already know my position. I big mouth it and I get accused of being a board hog. Hell' some ass even told me to go back to 8,000 posts and stay were I belonged. ha,ha! Can you beat that!?
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1/19/2009  11:43 AM
I love bold predictions. No problem with them. But I don't think we need the same one's over and over again. I get it:

Gallinari is a bust, Marbs has been done dirty, we should have drafted Bayless, we should have drafted Lopez, Should never have traded Balkman for nothing...........We get it.

We should have one thread for each prediction, you put your asse out there on that thread and then you comment on current events when you make a new thread instead of rehashing the same thing over and over again. I think we should do away the NBA forum and make a Knicks prediction form. Martin/Andrew, no need to discuss, I'm on it!
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1/19/2009  11:44 AM
Posted by 4949:

The problem though is that once you have a bad back, then it will always be bad. Larry Johnson was a prime example of that. Great competitive player, but wasn't around when we really needed him. I learned that a long time ago.

Some of the most successful teams in the history of the league are for the most part some of the healthiest teams, with little question. This kid Galo has all kinds of questions so far and he's only played two game in his career.

The only thing LJ was a prime example of was LJ's situation.
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1/19/2009  11:49 AM
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Posted by 4949:

The problem though is that once you have a bad back, then it will always be bad. Larry Johnson was a prime example of that. Great competitive player, but wasn't around when we really needed him. I learned that a long time ago.

Some of the most successful teams in the history of the league are for the most part some of the healthiest teams, with little question. This kid Galo has all kinds of questions so far and he's only played two game in his career.

The only thing LJ was a prime example of was LJ's situation.

You remember the back problems he had, right? Always laying on the side lines, trainer always stretching him, trying to get back into the games. It got so bad at times, he couldn't make it back. That's what could happen to Galo, especially since he said he is in pain right now. It's not good either way.
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1/19/2009  12:03 PM
Posted by 4949:
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Posted by 4949:

The problem though is that once you have a bad back, then it will always be bad. Larry Johnson was a prime example of that. Great competitive player, but wasn't around when we really needed him. I learned that a long time ago.

Some of the most successful teams in the history of the league are for the most part some of the healthiest teams, with little question. This kid Galo has all kinds of questions so far and he's only played two game in his career.

The only thing LJ was a prime example of was LJ's situation.

You remember the back problems he had, right? Always laying on the side lines, trainer always stretching him, trying to get back into the games. It got so bad at times, he couldn't make it back. That's what could happen to Galo, especially since he said he is in pain right now. It's not good either way.

unless the back injuries are exactly the same, this example won't hold out.
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1/19/2009  12:11 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by martin:
Posted by 4949:

The problem though is that once you have a bad back, then it will always be bad. Larry Johnson was a prime example of that. Great competitive player, but wasn't around when we really needed him. I learned that a long time ago.

Some of the most successful teams in the history of the league are for the most part some of the healthiest teams, with little question. This kid Galo has all kinds of questions so far and he's only played two game in his career.

The only thing LJ was a prime example of was LJ's situation.

You remember the back problems he had, right? Always laying on the side lines, trainer always stretching him, trying to get back into the games. It got so bad at times, he couldn't make it back. That's what could happen to Galo, especially since he said he is in pain right now. It's not good either way.

unless the back injuries are exactly the same, this example won't hold out.

I'm just saying, but we'll all see soon enough. I'm hoping it's not the case, I would love more than anything to be totally wrong on this one. And I hope I am wrong about the back. But bad backs are nothing to mess with. The kid says he's in pain and I don't know why they just don't give him the year off to condition himself back into shape? Especially in a meaningless season.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-19-2009 12:13 PM]
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1/19/2009  1:26 PM
Its very easy to be negative.

If the player pans out you don't feel that bad because though you were wrong at least he panned out. If the player sucks then you get to say I told you so.
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1/19/2009  1:53 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its very easy to be negative.

If the player pans out you don't feel that bad because though you were wrong at least he panned out. If the player sucks then you get to say I told you so.

That about sums it up
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1/19/2009  1:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its very easy to be negative.

If the player pans out you don't feel that bad because though you were wrong at least he panned out. If the player sucks then you get to say I told you so.

That about sums it up

this is true, but after the last 8yrs can you really blame anyone? no one is rooting against Gallo, I don't think. we're just used to trying to talk ourselves into bums like Sweetney and Frye and being let down.
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1/19/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its very easy to be negative.

If the player pans out you don't feel that bad because though you were wrong at least he panned out. If the player sucks then you get to say I told you so.

That about sums it up

this is true, but after the last 8yrs can you really blame anyone? no one is rooting against Gallo, I don't think. we're just used to trying to talk ourselves into bums like Sweetney and Frye and being let down.

That about sums it up.
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1/19/2009  2:21 PM
During the Isiah Thomas era there were so many complaining on how he collected selfish, low IQ low character athletes that didn't know how to play basketball.

So to change the culture we draft unselfish, high IQ, high character guy who isn't that great of an athlete. Who's character seems strong enough to impact the Knicks locker room in a positive way going toward the future(I don't know if Frye had that type of strong personality).

Instead of being happy about the decision to change the culture of the locker room which people have been complaining about as the reason to why we have lost for the last 4 in the Isiah era. People are now complaining and targeting any flaws he has with his game.

This basically tells me that all the complaining about the locker room and IQ & character and Marbury has been BS that sounded good at the time, but was not actually what believed by a lot of people.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

During the Isiah Thomas era there were so many complaining on how he collected selfish, low IQ low character athletes that didn't know how to play basketball.

So to change the culture we draft unselfish, high IQ, high character guy who isn't that great of an athlete. Who's character seems strong enough to impact the Knicks locker room in a positive way going toward the future(I don't know if Frye had that type of strong personality).

Instead of being happy about the decision to change the culture of the locker room which people have been complaining about as the reason to why we have lost for the last 4 in the Isiah era. People are now complaining and targeting any flaws he has with his game.

This basically tells me that all the complaining about the locker room and IQ & character and Marbury has been BS that sounded good at the time, but was not actually what believed by a lot of people.

How do you know that he has a high IQ or that he's so strong of character that it would impact an entire locker room?

You really must have been impressed with that 15 minutes of shaky basketball.
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1/19/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

During the Isiah Thomas era there were so many complaining on how he collected selfish, low IQ low character athletes that didn't know how to play basketball.

So to change the culture we draft unselfish, high IQ, high character guy who isn't that great of an athlete. Who's character seems strong enough to impact the Knicks locker room in a positive way going toward the future(I don't know if Frye had that type of strong personality).

Instead of being happy about the decision to change the culture of the locker room which people have been complaining about as the reason to why we have lost for the last 4 in the Isiah era. People are now complaining and targeting any flaws he has with his game.

This basically tells me that all the complaining about the locker room and IQ & character and Marbury has been BS that sounded good at the time, but was not actually what believed by a lot of people.

How do you know that he has a high IQ or that he's so strong of character that it would impact an entire locker room?

You really must have been impressed with that 15 minutes of shaky basketball.

How do you know he's a bust based on 15 minutes of basketball? It works 2 ways.
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1/19/2009  2:53 PM
I don't base his character on the 15mins of basketball he has played or the summer league.

His high IQ, unselfishness, and character are the main factors for why he was drafted by the Knicks. It wasn't because he could shoot.

#1 There were a ton of scouting reports on him during the draft and they all lead to the same conclusions. Different scouting reports of guys who have watched him for yrs. They had them all up on Draftexpress.com you could probably still find them.
#2 High IQ, unselfishness, are usually a staple of European basketball. So not only do his scouting reports of guys who have watched him for yrs state these things its also common for European players to have these attributes.
#3 In his 15mins of play and summer league game he has already demonstrated what his scouting reports have claimed strengths and weaknesses wise. From shooting & handling to defense and rebounding. So far there isn't anything Gallo has done or not done that have proved his scouting reports wrong.
#4 His confidence and swagger. In all his interviews he talks as if he is the leader of the Knicks which is kind of crazy, like its his team. Plus the fact that he isn't scared to shoot or play, when he plays he has yet to show any fear while on the basketball court.

My view is based on many combination of things. If I end up being wrong I end up being wrong. But at least there based on something.

What do you base yours views of Gallo on?
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