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1/15/2009  1:22 PM
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Posted by King1:

Briggs I have no idea what he is worth I am just happy he is hitting his jumper and competing on defense, and rebounding. I know he wants to play in New York and loves it here and all he talks about is winning in this city

i love the guy too dude, but we can't let sentimental attachments cloud our judgement here.

Exactly. Will he be sentimental enough, love to play in NY and winning in this city enough to cut some millions enough to help the Knicks cap and get better players?

The Knicks need to do whatever they can possibly do to build a better team, whether if it means trading Lee or signing him.



The only thing David has to do to help the Knicks pursue 2 free agents in 2010 is wait to sign his extention until the summer of 2010.

how is that gonna happen? he turns FA after this season... u really think he's gonna take a 1 year qualifying offer when his value is at an alltime high?

Knicks can make him the QO and keep him, I think that's the way the rookie contracts work. So, he is a FA in summer of 2010.

Lee can accept offers THIS summer if he wants, but the new contract would not start until 2010 season.

Knicks can make him the QO but if a team out there offers him a contract don't the Knicks have to match it or else lose him this summer?

The Knicks can either sign him and or David can be presented an offer that is to his liking which he signs to contract from another team and the Knicks have the right to match . If Lee is not happy with the Knicks or any other offer he will likely play forn the QO and become an unrestricted FA in 2010.
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1/15/2009  1:30 PM
I really wonder if Lee would accept a front-loaded contract or a series of "one-year" deals. There has to be some loophole we can take advantage of here.
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1/15/2009  1:35 PM
what if we were to offer him something crazy like a $12 mil 1 year offer after this season... then ask him to take a pay cut in 2010 on a backloaded extension so we could sign the other 2 guys & still keep him on the team... that would look way fishy & i don't think Stern & the NBA would allow it... but if that could be worked out i would love to go that route.
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1/15/2009  1:37 PM
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To win the chip team must have players who play their roles, do dirty work, execute the coach plan.
If you have this guy already why not to hold on to him? It is not easy to get this type of players.
Only idiots are letting them go.

To me Lee is one of the guys you want to keep.

You have to love Lee because he has intelligence and plays with a lot of energy, but also because, as some have mentioned, he has visibly improved his game over the course of his career. First the foul shooting, then the midrange jumper, and perhaps next year he can do some upper body weight training a work on his D in the post.

If he can do the latter, I don't see why he should not be one of the guys we build around in the future. His only real weakness is his down low D and inability to hit from the 3 line, as far as I can see. If he really hits the weight room, he can address the D issue to some extent, and I don't think anyone cares about him not hitting 3's, as long as he can hit those short to midrange jumpers.

He will be 26 in April, and barring injury, he should be able to productive for another 5-7 years. He is a perfect compliment to any team, in my opinion, and he has shown that he can at least hang in there at the center position, so he has some flexibility as a player.

He is a keeper, IMHO, and any winning franchise would like to have him in their rotation, be it in the starting 5 or a 25-30 MPG player off the bench.

Unless his contract demands are crazy, the Knicks should attempt to resign him.



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1/15/2009  1:46 PM
Posted by Marv:

let's say we could off eddy and fishlips with one fell swoop if we included our #1 or dlee. this would allow us to sign 2 major fa's. would you do it? which would you prefer to give up?

personally i'd give up the #1. i'd re-sign lee and then go full out for that lebron/wade/bosh/amare duo.

Thats looking like the path we are going to probably have to look to take. Griffin, Harden & Thabeet are the only 3 names in this draft that I would want to keep the pick for. Other then that we should trade the pick to unload Curry &/pr Jefferies allowing us to keep Lee and still sign 2 big time free agents.

In the offseason Curry & Jefferies though they have the contracts during the free agent spalsh of 2010 they also only would have 2 yrs left on there contracts. Teams that are over the cap anyway during that time might be willing to take a shot at Curry & or Jefferies for only 2 yrs. With a lottery pick attached something like that could be enticing.

Lottery pick, Curry & Jefferies for J'Oneal?
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1/15/2009  1:54 PM
Lottery pick, Curry & Jefferies for J'Oneal?

dollars don't match up... JO's making $23 mil next season.
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1/15/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

what if we were to offer him something crazy like a $12 mil 1 year offer after this season... then ask him to take a pay cut in 2010 on a backloaded extension so we could sign the other 2 guys & still keep him on the team... that would look way fishy & i don't think Stern & the NBA would allow it... but if that could be worked out i would love to go that route.

That is the type of thing I would pursue. I don't get how the NBA could do anything about that, but I'm sure Stern would try and find a way.
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1/15/2009  1:58 PM
The has a loophole offer 5/40 this summer and then it would have been over and he would have been easy to move with that salary
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1/15/2009  2:00 PM
my God, who cares... it's over & done with... Donnie chose to keep his options open & he musta had a good reason... that tells me he's looking to trade D Lee... if he doesn't then u will have a reason to complain.
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1/15/2009  2:01 PM
TMS I havent got the memo that two free agents are coming when the best free agent this storied franchise has ever gotten is Alan Houston. The odds are against this. Is it much easier to sign Lee and get one in 2010 and one in 2011.
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1/15/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
Lottery pick, Curry & Jefferies for J'Oneal?

dollars don't match up... JO's making $23 mil next season.

Is Al Harrington move able at the deadline or is he still restricted because he was traded to us?

If he is able to be traded maybe we could look into a Harrington & Jefferies for Milicic & rights to A.Walkers contract maybe even a 2nd rd pick.
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1/15/2009  2:04 PM
Posted by King1:

TMS I havent got the memo that two free agents are coming when the best free agent this storied franchise has ever gotten is Alan Houston. The odds are against this. Is it much easier to sign Lee and get one in 2010 and one in 2011.

i haven't gotten the memo that D Lee is gonna end up walking for nothing either... until that happens why don't u hold off on the constant complaining about Donnie not locking him up to an extension last summer.
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1/15/2009  2:06 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
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Lottery pick, Curry & Jefferies for J'Oneal?

dollars don't match up... JO's making $23 mil next season.

Is Al Harrington move able at the deadline or is he still restricted because he was traded to us?

If he is able to be traded maybe we could look into a Harrington & Jefferies for Milicic & rights to A.Walkers contract maybe even a 2nd rd pick.

we need to dump Curry & Jefferies in order to clear the cap to keep D Lee & still sign 2 max guys... trading Harrington does nothing.
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1/15/2009  2:07 PM
He was saying include Harrington in a package to entice a team like Memphis, to take Jefferies.
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1/15/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He was saying include Harrington in a package to entice a team like Memphis, to take Jefferies.

i know what he was saying but the issue we were discussing is how to manage a way to keep D Lee & still have the cap space to sign 2 max guys in 2010
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1/15/2009  2:08 PM
it's tough to trade jeffries or curry b/c they both stink and have long term deals.

knicks don't have any sweeteners good enough to entice a team to take them off their hands.

their best interest is to re-sign lee, and hope curry gets in shape and plays. two max players are not in the cards for 2010.
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1/15/2009  2:13 PM
Curry is not getting in shape. However, stripping the team of any meat it has is not going to entice a FA, and neither is JUST Wil Chandler and a questionable Gallinari and a FA Duhon. You need to have a team in place.
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1/15/2009  2:16 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:


Is Al Harrington move able at the deadline or is he still restricted because he was traded to us?

he can be traded before the deadline.
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1/15/2009  2:19 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Curry is not getting in shape. However, stripping the team of any meat it has is not going to entice a FA, and neither is JUST Wil Chandler and a questionable Gallinari and a FA Duhon. You need to have a team in place.

again w/the same old argument... u guys just refuse to get the point that it's not JUST Wil Chandler & a questionable Gallinari in the scenario here... it's the chance to play w/another max FA, PLUS Wil Chandler, Gallinari, the 2009 top 1-7 lottery pick & the 2010 2nd rounder from DEN... yes, that will be appealing to a max FA that year... believe it or not but it's true... the scenario u guys are advocating sets up D Lee, Chandler, Gallinari, a mid 1st round pick in 2009 & the 2010 2nd rounder from DEN... to me, that's a less attractive drawing card for any max FA in 2010.
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1/15/2009  2:33 PM
First off, you have to lure one max free agent to get a second one. Secondly, if we keep going at this pace, we're not getting a top 7 pick. More like a 10-13, in a weak draft.

And if you think that's enough to lure even ONE free agent, then to each his own, but I don't think it is, and I DOUBT Bosh and Wade and Lebron are getting together and contemplating signing in NY, when NY hardly even has a team.
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