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ITS OFFICIAL: We can't rebuild in NY...
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1/12/2009  2:10 PM
The Knicks are in a good position to become a good team within the next 2yrs.

If we continue on this current path we will land a top 5 lottery pick with a shot at Harden or Thabeet. Plus a good amount of cap space we would have to add a big time free agent or 2 or 2.5 in 2010.

We have hated every coach we have had since JVG left. So how can I expect D'Antoni to get treated any different.
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1/12/2009  2:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

1.) We have a team that chucks and doesn't play defense so everyone decides it's time to rebuild
2.) We bring in a new coach
3.) Team continues to chuck up shots and not play defense
4.) We blame the coach
5.) fire the coach
6.) Rinse and repeat.

u don't use a conditioner? i find it helps w/the frizzies.

I'm bald. Don't need conditioner. I just use soap
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1/12/2009  2:37 PM
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

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1/12/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.
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1/12/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

1.) We have a team that chucks and doesn't play defense so everyone decides it's time to rebuild
2.) We bring in a new coach
3.) Team continues to chuck up shots and not play defense
4.) We blame the coach
5.) fire the coach
6.) Rinse and repeat.

u don't use a conditioner? i find it helps w/the frizzies.

I'm bald. Don't need conditioner. I just use soap

We're not interested in your grooming routine you narcissist.

https:// It's not so hard.
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1/12/2009  2:38 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

https:// It's not so hard.
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1/12/2009  2:40 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

sorry, next time i promise to make a separate thread about it to drive the point home in case anyone's missed it like everyone else does around here.
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1/12/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

1.) We have a team that chucks and doesn't play defense so everyone decides it's time to rebuild
2.) We bring in a new coach
3.) Team continues to chuck up shots and not play defense
4.) We blame the coach
5.) fire the coach
6.) Rinse and repeat.

u don't use a conditioner? i find it helps w/the frizzies.

I'm bald. Don't need conditioner. I just use soap

We're not interested in your grooming routine you narcissist.

Dude you seem angry lately. I know things look bleak. I know it doesn't appear that Isiah will be making his return. But relax he will be back to claim his spot as owner/GM/Coach/God of the Knicks. Be cheerful my friend. It is written.
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1/12/2009  2:53 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

sorry, next time i promise to make a separate thread about it to drive the point home in case anyone's missed it like everyone else does around here.

It can only help your post count.
https:// It's not so hard.
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1/12/2009  2:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

1.) We have a team that chucks and doesn't play defense so everyone decides it's time to rebuild
2.) We bring in a new coach
3.) Team continues to chuck up shots and not play defense
4.) We blame the coach
5.) fire the coach
6.) Rinse and repeat.

u don't use a conditioner? i find it helps w/the frizzies.

I'm bald. Don't need conditioner. I just use soap

We're not interested in your grooming routine you narcissist.

Dude you seem angry lately. I know things look bleak. I know it doesn't appear that Isiah will be making his return. But relax he will be back to claim his spot as owner/GM/Coach/God of the Knicks. Be cheerful my friend. It is written.

I thought it was "be angry" day.
https:// It's not so hard.
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1/12/2009  2:59 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

1.) We have a team that chucks and doesn't play defense so everyone decides it's time to rebuild
2.) We bring in a new coach
3.) Team continues to chuck up shots and not play defense
4.) We blame the coach
5.) fire the coach
6.) Rinse and repeat.

u don't use a conditioner? i find it helps w/the frizzies.

I'm bald. Don't need conditioner. I just use soap

We're not interested in your grooming routine you narcissist.

Dude you seem angry lately. I know things look bleak. I know it doesn't appear that Isiah will be making his return. But relax he will be back to claim his spot as owner/GM/Coach/God of the Knicks. Be cheerful my friend. It is written.

I thought it was "be angry" day.

That's tomorrow
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1/12/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

sorry, next time i promise to make a separate thread about it to drive the point home in case anyone's missed it like everyone else does around here.

It can only help your post count.

don't hate the post count, hate the message board & Bip.
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Bippity10
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1/12/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

sorry, next time i promise to make a separate thread about it to drive the point home in case anyone's missed it like everyone else does around here.

It can only help your post count.

don't hate the post count, hate the message board & Bip.

Broham, I have been nothing but nice to you lately. That's going to change.
I just hope that people will like me
TMS
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1/12/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Wait a sec... So I'm supposed to translate "You can't rebuild in NY" to "Fans will complain if you rebuild in NY?"

that's the point that was discussed a few posts up last night.

Sorry, but I can't spend 24/7 reading every one of your 30,000 posts.

i wasn't the only one talking about it... don't get pissy with me.

Well, I can't read all those other idiots' posts either.

sorry, next time i promise to make a separate thread about it to drive the point home in case anyone's missed it like everyone else does around here.

It can only help your post count.

don't hate the post count, hate the message board & Bip.

Broham, I have been nothing but nice to you lately. That's going to change.

i only hate on you cuz i love u bro... don't u know?
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1/12/2009  3:21 PM
Too late TMS, too late. Prepare for my wrath.
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1/12/2009  3:29 PM
Wow, for once, the Bip wrath isn't focused on me.
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1/12/2009  4:42 PM
Bip's wrath is reminiscent of a yawning mouse.
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1/12/2009  5:08 PM
Posted by Uptown:

While this sad franchise has been languishing in the bowels of the NBA for almost a decade, and with Isiah was insinuating that you can't rebuild in NY, some people on here screamed that we could. Others screamed that we should. Well, now we are. And now some of those same people are now questioning the direction they screamed for. There are several factors that seem to keep us from trying to rebuild.

Unrealistic expectations: Comming off consecutive, 23, 33, and 23 wins, one would think we would have more patience. But what we get is after every game, the microanalysts disect every minutia of every play as if this sorry roster is underachieving. Who cares if this roster is Laydens team, Isiah's team, or Walsh's team. Bottom-line, its a Pathetic team.

PG: When we signed Duhon this summer, 3/4's of the board called him Doo-Doo, and a back-up. So essentially, we have a back-up pointguard in the starting lineup.

SG: Q is called QBrick for a reason. He was damaged goods and on the decline when he was added to this team 3 years ago. So, we have a back-up SG in the starting lineup.

SF: The jury is still out on Chandler. He's still a rookie in terms of court time. Has games when he looks like a starter, then others when he looks like a reserve. Right now, he's a really good role player who is still developing.

PF: The only legit starter in our starting lineup. But even Lee needs a legit big man to play next to to cover his defensive and sometimes offensive warts.

C: Jeffries. Need I say more.

So a quick tally shows me that we have one legit starter in the staring lineup and if you add Harrington, we have 2 starters on the whole roster. We probably have the least talented roster in the entire NBA...TWolves have (Jefferson) we have no one as good as him on this roster, Griz have (Mayo and Gay), OKC has (Durant, Green, Westbrook), the only team that might have just as bad a roster as us is Sac-town (At least they have Martin who is better than anything we have)...And still, people expect miracles from MDA. People get upset when we lose to the TWolves and Thunder. I garuantee, when the scehdules come out in October, the Thunder and TWolves fans circled our game as a W for them. We are no better.

IMPATIENCE I've seen this question in more than a few threads "Why hasn't MDA developed our players like his resume says?" So people on this board allready want to see 5,6 and 7 years veterans completely shake the lazy, bad shooting, bad shot selection, poor game recognition, non fundamental labels they've carried from college in just 34 games? Ridiculously impatient.
Larry Brown, a first ballad hall of fame coach, notorious for turning teams around for the better couldn't make this franchise any better in 82 games. In fact, they regressed. I remember Brown saying things like, "They dont know how to play basketball." Same thing MDA has been saying lately. Brown had to dumb things down for this team beacsue they wasn't running the plays correctly. MDA has hinted at the same things. Brown also said "They have a lot of bad habits that need to be broken." Sounds strikingly similar to MDA's recent rethoric. It takes time to breal bad habits. Players sometimes need to be broken before they can be fixed. And it'll take longer than 34 games.

SHORTSIGTEDNESS When Isiah was here, we had no plan. Now we have a sensible plan they most were calling for before Walsh's hire, and now that the plan that we all seemingly wanted is underway, we still find fault with it. I'm seeing things like "Lebron or Bust!" Dont recall seeing Lebron wearing the Green and White when the Celts hoisted the banner this November. Nor was he calling South Beach his home when the Heat won the Chip. Lebro is clearly the best player on the market in 2010, but he isn't the only piece of a championship recipe. In fact he might not be in the championship cookbook being that he doesn't presently own any of the coveted gold rings to date.

The idea and the plan was to get under the cap for flexibility and the ability to sign freeagents or make a big trade where we can absorb a big contract. Signing a FA is a luxury good teams have practiced to improve and a luxury we haven't practiced since 96. For those who still seem to have a problem with with clearing cap space, what is the alternative? We can alwasy go back to the Isiah method of aquiring assets or other teams unwanted cast offs and continue to reshuffle the deck and hope we come out with black jack.

LASTLY "Why was MDA hired if we are rebulding?"

Walsh said when he hired MDA that he wanted a partner, someone who was a good talent evaluator. Kind of his eyes on the floor, in the practice gym, and in the locker room while Donnie watches from the purple seats. I think I trust the eyes of a man who guided his teams to 64 and 61 wins over....IDK...Mark Jackson.







[Edited by - uptown on 01-11-2009 11:37 PM]

I rarely run across anyone on this board who doesn't want to rebuild...I think it's the dominant consensus... The problem is how we rebuild and with whom(Nuances)...A few of us have a problem with the "system"...We think that building around a defense first scenario is an easier path a Championship that say a three point shooting, fast pace offensive scenario...Evidence by the fact that the majority of teams that have won Championships in the last 30 years emphasize defense a lot more than this coach seems to be willing to do or has done in the past...If we are building from the bottom why not do it with strong fundamentals that has proven successful in the past...

ITS OFFICIAL: We can't rebuild in NY...

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