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1/8/2009  2:03 PM
Posted by Marv:

were you at the game cheering - and then suddenly noticing you had forgotten to wear pants??

Heh, I think I was watching it on TV. I do remember being very surprised and relieved that our draft pick was finally contributing.

But let's be real. Dude was picked in part because of the Stache's relationship with the Senior Gallo. I think D'Antoni said "well, let me show the league how Italy gets down!" Same reason why Patrick Jr. was considered, because of his father's legacy. And the irony we got PE2 with our rights to Weis isn't lost on me.

I hope Gallo becomes the player of my dreams and not the bystander in a dunk poster, but I am not Nostradamus.

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1/8/2009  2:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody knows for sure but king's indicating he's not gonna play this year.

not playing a year b/c of a torn acl is one thing.
not playing a year b/c of back pain at 19 is another.

best to proceed w/o him in the plans for the time being.

Is King the NY Knicks spokesman? So if Curry plays this week, does Kings credibility go out the window?
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1/8/2009  2:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.
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1/8/2009  2:20 PM
I really hope I'm proven wrong, but right now this is looking like a monumental catastrophe. I also believe this pick was made for the wrong reasons. Again, I hope I'm wrong.

How could they not have had an inkling about his back prior to draft day?
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1/8/2009  2:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.

I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez just cause he fills a role (that's Isiah-like thinking BTW).
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1/8/2009  2:28 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.

I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

He was projected top 3-4 all year. And why do you say Lopez is a lower ceiling guy? The guy was a sophomore 7 foot 20-10 C in a great league--his game had resemblances of Tim Duncan --how is that low ceiling? He could easily be a 20-10 C within two years. Right now he is easily a top 5 rookie.
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1/8/2009  2:30 PM
^ and BTW, my Amare example should be right up your alley.
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I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

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1/8/2009  2:37 PM
Posted by martin:

^ and BTW, my Amare example should be right up your alley.

If I was running the Knick --believe me there would be an emphasis on losing as much as possible from here on in the rest of the year. There are some athletic 4's and one athletic 5 we could use that wont be there at 10-11-12. It's not really rebuilding when you go all out to win 33 games and end up picking 10th. Rebuilding means you have to accept losing a LOT to get a VERY high pick. The LESS the Knicks have to think about things--the better for the team.
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1/8/2009  2:37 PM
Posted by sebstar:
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

I think all of those things played a part. Also think that Lopez wouldn't fit into an MDA offense also played a part.

Beginning to think that Gallo should get surgery or play in the next 2 weeks or retire. One of the 3.
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1/8/2009  2:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.


Lopez...top three? You didn't have him in your top three. If I remember correctly, people, including myself, doubted Lopez at this level because he shot a poor FG% for a bigman and was a bit slow of foot. Most people here wanted Mayo (who wasn't available), Bayless, Westbrook and Anthony Randoplh.
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1/8/2009  2:41 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.


Lopez...top three? You didn't have him in your top three. If I remember correctly, people, including myself, doubted Lopez at this level because he shot a poor FG% for a bigman and was a bit slow of foot. Most people here wanted Mayo (who wasn't available), Bayless, Westbrook and Anthony Randoplh.

I concur. This was the going theory. Lopez will have a 10 year career but I don't recall how many people thought he was top 5 material. Now pick 6 and there after is a different story. Was he really evaluated by the coaching staff. I remember that there were concerns that we seemed to be only concern about selecting guys that would fit into D'Antoni's system. Which I also arguing why are we only looking at guys who just fit into a certain system, if there is no way to guarantee if that coach or system will be in place 5 years after the selection.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 01-08-2009 2:42 PM]
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1/8/2009  2:45 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

I think all of those things played a part.

See, I think this pick had a lot more to do with non-sensicial Public Relations, than actual basketball and I cant respect that.
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1/8/2009  2:46 PM
a lot of revisionist history goes on about the draft. there were major questions about lopez regarding toughness and athleticism translating at the pro level.
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1/8/2009  2:48 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.

I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

He was projected top 3-4 all year. And why do you say Lopez is a lower ceiling guy? The guy was a sophomore 7 foot 20-10 C in a great league--his game had resemblances of Tim Duncan --how is that low ceiling? He could easily be a 20-10 C within two years. Right now he is easily a top 5 rookie.

Why weren't you saying this before the draft? Could be wrong but I remember you pusing McGee and Randolph over this future 20-10 player.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

I think all of those things played a part.

See, I think this pick had a lot more to do with non-sensicial Public Relations, than actual basketball and I cant respect that.

i liked the pick. worth the risk. no one had any inkling about a back injury. the guy has mad skills at 6'10". especially for 's system. and the other choices were a bunch of sawed-off guards, a plodding center, a sf who has shown no nba game, and a skinny tall tweener whose coach wants him out already.
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

I think all of those things played a part.

See, I think this pick had a lot more to do with non-sensicial Public Relations, than actual basketball and I cant respect that.

i liked the pick. worth the risk. no one had any inkling about a back injury. the guy has mad skills at 6'10". especially for 's system. and the other choices were a bunch of sawed-off guards, a plodding center, a sf who has shown no nba game, and a skinny tall tweener whose coach wants him out already.

Yeah but you also like Fat Ass Jerome. Coming from you isn't a ringing endorsement. It's more like an "oh ****, now I know we ****ed up" endorsement.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
I don't follow your logic at all. I don't know what we were doing in the Isiah years but I don't call that rebuilding.

10 teams passed on Lopez so I don't know how you can say he was projected to go top 3. Maybe at some point in the year 2007, but not at the end. Rose, Beasley, OJ.

With lottery picks you HAVE to shoot for the moon, in the same way you should shoot for selecting Amare in the top 3 instead of a lower ceiling guy like Lopez.

So you think this pick was a pure b-ball decision and not a "look how exotic of a pick we can make because we are smarter than you," sort of deal? Do you think that Gallo's ties to D'Antoni didnt play a role? Do you think that NY's demographics didnt play a role? Do you think that this pick being a referendum on Isiah, in that they tried to draft a player who is the furthest thing from his regime didnt play a role?

And do you think all of this led to them overlooking what is developing into a very serious health or mental problem.

The Knicks passed on some VERY good talent. This was a strong draft.

I think all of those things played a part.

See, I think this pick had a lot more to do with non-sensicial Public Relations, than actual basketball and I cant respect that.

i liked the pick. worth the risk. no one had any inkling about a back injury. the guy has mad skills at 6'10". especially for 's system. and the other choices were a bunch of sawed-off guards, a plodding center, a sf who has shown no nba game, and a skinny tall tweener whose coach wants him out already.

Yeah but you also like Fat Ass Jerome. Coming from you isn't a ringing endorsement. It's more like an "oh ****, now I know we ****ed up" endorsement.

leave my unhealthy obsession with the big game out of this discussion.
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Posted by Uptown:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Cosmic:

He's been on a permanent "will reevaluate in 2 to 4 weeks" schedule ever since July. It never changes. After all this time either go get surgery or retire.

Alright, I'll start the parade of doom.

Gallouch.

Do you think you can rebuild in NY? Cause your patience level suggests otherwise.

Martin--I think you can rebuild in NY--we've been trying to do in for 7.5 years. I can understand why some fans would be mad that we ended up taking a risk on a player--when a 7 footer who was projected to go top 3 the whole time suddenly falls in our lap with our C situation and they decided to bypass it. So we took risk tripled it since we took a player who is foreign and 19 --then bypassed a player who was proven at the highest NCAA level at a position of dire need. Subsequently this player is injured[was he injured prior--we'll never know and they wont tell us] in his first summer league team game and is out for seven months with no ending in sight. IMHO we tried to get fancy and AGAIn we guaranteed a pick and let Lopez go to take this kid. Thats not rebuilding--thats gambling--and weve dont too much of that.


Lopez...top three? You didn't have him in your top three. If I remember correctly, people, including myself, doubted Lopez at this level because he shot a poor FG% for a bigman and was a bit slow of foot. Most people here wanted Mayo (who wasn't available), Bayless, Westbrook and Anthony Randoplh.

02-15-2008 12:16 AM Show Profile Reply with Quote 1. Michael Beasley==KN ST F
2. Jerryd Bayless-- AZ ST combo guard
3. Brook Lopez--Stan F/C
4 Derrick Rose--Memp combo G
5 Blake Griffin--Okla F
6 Darrel Arthur--Kansas F
7 Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina F
8 Eric Gordon--Ind combo
9 Hasheem Thabeet C Uconn C
10 Billy Walker Kan ST wing

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3-28-2008 11:00 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote Not a bad prize for us at all. He's enormous--tremendous base strength with good basic post skills that should be able to be tightened up in his process of improving. Not the quickest post defender but still his body strength alone will help any team hurting in the middle. While he does have his awkward points--overall a tremendous prospect. 10Xs the prospect any of these combo guards are.

It's more of a top heavy 3 draft but there there are still potentially some very exciting big players who are unerdevloped physically. I read that Koufus wants to leave Ohio State and he could easily be another hugh level target--but as of now it's a top 3 draft and then the work begins.

To take problem solving out of the Knicks future--we must be a top 3 pick. Even Isiah Channing Frye number 1 pick Thomas could not fck this draft up top 3.


I wont go any further than this other than to say I never thought he was a viable option at 6 until very late in the process. I never thought we could get him. In fact when I had a started to believe we had a thin chance at getting him I said we should.









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Posted by Vmart:

This kid needs to get out there and play that is the only way the pain will go away.

you should play a doctor on TV.

I went to Med school
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