Posted by franco12:

I had defended the No Defense Label on Lee his first two years in the league. I did, however, expect he would improve at this point. While he is out of position, still, I'd like to see better/smarter effort and he blew a switch against the pacers that cost us.

Based on that' you wanna get rid of him? Incredible!

Chandler and Duhon had a combined 10 TOs. Should we get rid of them to? A few games ago, Nate scored only 4 or 6 points all game. Maybe we should trade him to for blowing it?

Posted by Finestrg:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by King1:

in the history of free agency usually the most that has ever left a and went to another team is two. Knicks fans think your going to get two max players here. Would you rather have a 15-11 guy signed and a chance to sign another max guy or the chance to sign two max guys and if you dont you will have no players and the mantra is wait until 2012 and dwight howard will come to NYC.

I'll be honest I have no idea what will happen. I just feel good knowing we've thrown our hat into the ring. I will say this: I also do fear we end up like Chicago years ago who cleared cap space and offered it all around to every FA and NOBODY bought until Jalen Rose finally took their money (in fact, we ended up with the final 2 years of that deal, figures).

So, yeah, there's plenty of danger in doing this.

Yet I will say the team we had was going nowhere so tearing it down doesn't play into whether or not we succeed in 2010.

If there's no max FA to be had you can at least rest assured we have so much flexibility we could sign other good talent in the effort to build a core - and then try to bank on that max FA in the coming seasons. We'll also have the flexibility to absorb players in trade which is another way to get a good player even though they are under contract.

I guess what it really amounts to is that word: Flexibility. It's not as if we were to strike out in 2010 max-fa-market that it's all over for us. We're still in a great position to build a team regardless of that.


Of course, again, I really like David Lee, and would like to keep him in Orange and Blue, but you have to explore every single reprecussion of signing him good or bad. If we knew no way any more than 1 max FA comes in 2010? Then you probably make a greater effort to sign Lee to stay.

Yet, we just don't know.

I guess the big lynchpin in the Lee situation is how much he gets. If he starts at 8M then I think you retain him. If he were to start at 10, 11, 12 or more? I just don't know.

Tough situation. So far from what management has done overall I trust them to do the right thing here. Waiting sucks and all we got to do while we wait is.... talk about it to death.

Question: How much truth is there that both 'Bron and Bosh are coming as a package deal in 2010 provided Donnie clears enough room? Big internet rumor going around - you guys buy into this at all or is this more fantasy than anything else??

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by 4949:

Do you ever go out on a limb, or do you just like to play it real safe and go after those who aren't as cautious?

Pertaining to what?
I actually feel shedding salary for 2010 is going out on a limb but a necessary thing. If resigning Lee could potentially cause problems with the master plan then I don't know if it's safe to lock him up and then find out he closed the door on acquiring more than 1 big time talent. The Lee situation is the toughest Walsh has on his plate right now.

Where exactly do you get this from??!! I don't see anything out there that says Walsh is having a difficult time deciding on Lee! As a matter of fact, there isn't any talk out there that says Lee is going anywhere or being guaranteed to be signed. Everyone is on notice, because we all still don't know what's going to affect this group as a team, regarding the 2010 campaign. As far as I'm concerned, the entire team is on notice. We can only realistically see who has the best chance of staying. Duhon, Harrington, Nate, Lee, Chandler and maybe Galo. It's pretty clear to me that everyone else is going to be gone by after next season.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Finestrg:

Question: How much truth is there that both 'Bron and Bosh are coming as a package deal in 2010 provided Donnie clears enough room? Big internet rumor going around - you guys buy into this at all or is this more fantasy than anything else??

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

unless u're a first party witness to Lebron & Bosh's conversations how on earth can u make such an assumption?

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by 4949:

Do you ever go out on a limb, or do you just like to play it real safe and go after those who aren't as cautious?

Pertaining to what?
I actually feel shedding salary for 2010 is going out on a limb but a necessary thing. If resigning Lee could potentially cause problems with the master plan then I don't know if it's safe to lock him up and then find out he closed the door on acquiring more than 1 big time talent. The Lee situation is the toughest Walsh has on his plate right now.

Where exactly do you get this from??!! I don't see anything out there that says Walsh is having a difficult time deciding on Lee! As a matter of fact, there isn't any talk out there that says Lee is going anywhere or being guaranteed to be signed. Everyone is on notice, because we all still don't know what's going to affect this group as a team, regarding the 2010 campaign. As far as I'm concerned, the entire team is on notice. We can only realistically see who has the best chance of staying. Duhon, Harrington, Nate, Lee, Chandler and maybe Galo. It's pretty clear to me that everyone else is going to be gone by after next season.

You don't think deciding whether or not to re-sign Lee to an extension, one of which will probably be pretty lucrative, isn't a tough decision to make? I happen to think it is given the 2010-2-max-FA plan. I happen to think it's probably the biggest decision Walsh will ultimately have to make.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by 4949:

If they could trade Lee for someone legitimate (and I mean legitimate) , then I can live with that. But don't you think Lee is good enough to stay on with the Knicks? Don't you think he's earned a spot? Why is Lee the biggest decision and not guys like Nate or Chandler? I mean you are saying that Lee is either that good or that bad. And what proof do you have to say that he is that bad, if it is that? Paying Lee a new contract is not everything. We are losing big money left and right to the 2010 sweeps. Lee isn't going to break this team, first of all because he'll be lucky if he even gets 10 million a year. Lee is a fighter and he can help this new upcoming team win lots of games. Getting rid of Curry is the biggest challenge Walsh faces.

Well, that's the big discussion, is it not? It all comes back full circle: We want to be open in 2010 for 2 max fa's. Lee has been playing well enough to receive a large contract. That contract could conceivably knock the chance at a 2nd max Fa out the window. Therefore is Lee a good enough player to warrant giving up on a potential 2nd max FA? I really don't know the answer to that. That's why I think it's a tough decision.

Well yes, they are all rumors. And isn't Nate not signed either? I just don't know why folks talk about Lee making certain amounts of money but Nate isn't even mentioned. Chandler's given benefit of the doubt and no one knows if he'll pan out either. But with Lee, you'd think he was Curry or Marbury. A must get rid of kind of player. I don't see Lee being in the way of a second star player being brought in. Especially based on all evidence stated above and other factors. That is the most disturbing part to me. That no one targets any of the other players like they do Lee.

There was a biased comment made the other day about how someone didn't want DW drafting any stupid European players. I made note that we needed more outside players from all over the world two years ago and it was attacked just about by everyone here at the time. So in my mind, this attack on David Lee has nothing to do with basketball and certainly has nothing to do with him getting in the way of bringing in two star players. Do you see what my point is? This has been going on for three years now and he's still here. That's why I'm not convinced that he's going anywhere.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-04-2009 4:22 PM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by franco12:

I had defended the No Defense Label on Lee his first two years in the league. I did, however, expect he would improve at this point. While he is out of position, still, I'd like to see better/smarter effort and he blew a switch against the pacers that cost us.

Based on that' you wanna get rid of him? Incredible!

Chandler and Duhon had a combined 10 TOs. Should we get rid of them to? A few games ago, Nate scored only 4 or 6 points all game. Maybe we should trade him to for blowing it?

Didn't Lee also have 4 turnovers in the Indiana game?
Duhon with 6, Chandler with 4, Lee with 4. What's your point?

Yeah, he did have four and it was very unusual. My point is, if anyone attacks Lee and uses petty things like recent stats, then attack the others stats too. It just came off as a weak argument to me.

Posted by TMS:


i'm not reaching for anything... read the question that Fine asked u... he asked how much truth there was to the rumor that Bron & Bosh were coming here as a package in 2010 & you responded "None. Zero. Zip. Nada."... that's not the same as saying u personally don't think those 2 are coming to NY in 2010... don't tell me i'm misinterpreting something here... again, how can u make such an assumption unless u're a 1st party in these discussions between those 2, if there's been any at all? u don't know just like i don't know.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-04-2009 2:55 PM]