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12/28/2008  4:04 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.
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12/28/2008  4:08 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.


I agree.
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12/28/2008  4:08 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.

Sure, but Jamal is more analogous to JR Smith.

They have Carmelo.
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12/28/2008  4:08 PM
Not even the Giants won today. Of course, circumstances are way different: they were resting many bodies for the playoffs while the Knicks are still in the first half of their season and can only dream of the playoffs.

Ah, but I wanted that Giants win! Oh well, now its the real time to win!


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12/28/2008  4:12 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.

Sure, but Jamal is more analogous to JR Smith.

They have Carmelo.

i'm talking about this Knicks team... i agree, he's more analogous to JR Smith talent wise, but like him or not, Jamal was the go to guy down the stretch of games that was the best able to get off his own shot when the offense broke down... Nate is the closest guy we have who can fill his role but he's also a very streaky player & as i said then, i think he will have a harder time getting off his shots because of his height disadvantage.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-28-2008 1:13 PM]
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12/28/2008  4:14 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Not even the Giants won today. Of course, circumstances are way different: they were resting many bodies for the playoffs while the Knicks are still in the first half of their season and can only dream of the playoffs.

Ah, but I wanted that Giants win! Oh well, now its the real time to win!



this game was meaningless, Eli didn't even play the 2nd half... i hope Dallas loses today tho... i wanna see Jerry Jones' face turn red.
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12/28/2008  4:16 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.

Sure, but Jamal is more analogous to JR Smith.

They have Carmelo.

i'm talking about this Knicks team... i agree, he's more analogous to JR Smith talent wise, but like him or not, Jamal was the go to guy down the stretch of games that was the best able to get off his own shot when the offense broke down... Nate is the closest guy we have who can fill his role but he's also a very streaky player & as i said then, i think he will have a harder time getting off his shots because of his height disadvantage.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-28-2008 1:13 PM]

I hear ya. I guess my point is, so long as Jamal or JR is your go to guy you'll still be drastically limited in this league. Loosing that caliber player isn't your biggest problem; you're buggest problem is having no better go to guy.
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12/28/2008  4:25 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.

Sure, but Jamal is more analogous to JR Smith.

They have Carmelo.

i'm talking about this Knicks team... i agree, he's more analogous to JR Smith talent wise, but like him or not, Jamal was the go to guy down the stretch of games that was the best able to get off his own shot when the offense broke down... Nate is the closest guy we have who can fill his role but he's also a very streaky player & as i said then, i think he will have a harder time getting off his shots because of his height disadvantage.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-28-2008 1:13 PM]

I hear ya. I guess my point is, so long as Jamal or JR is your go to guy you'll still be drastically limited in this league. Loosing that caliber player isn't your biggest problem; you're buggest problem is having no better go to guy.

i agree w/that... Jamal should have never been the main go to guy in games but he had to take on that role by default because Marbury fell way short of his expectations... i've always said that i thought Jamal could be an effective secondary or third scoring option on a good team & i still think that to be the case.
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12/28/2008  4:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

i agree w/that... Jamal should have never been the main go to guy in games but he had to take on that role by default because Marbury fell way short of his expectations... i've always said that i thought Jamal could be an effective secondary or third scoring option on a good team & i still think that to be the case.

I guess that argument could be made, though I haven't really seen it born out in reality yet. I have seen guys with similar or better talent than him best serve their teams off the bench though.

Jamal is not a good decision maker, penetrator, defender, or distributor. His best virtue is as a shooter, and even in that he's streaky.

I've never been Crawford's biggest critic and never will be. I think he's got a good heart and that's why I could never bring myself to hate him. But he's a pretty incomplete player, and I don't feel you can count on him to deliver unless he's in his zone, which he's constantly in and out of.

There are definitely times he's carried this team, but I don't find him consistent or complete enough to be counted on as a force.

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12/28/2008  5:02 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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i agree w/that... Jamal should have never been the main go to guy in games but he had to take on that role by default because Marbury fell way short of his expectations... i've always said that i thought Jamal could be an effective secondary or third scoring option on a good team & i still think that to be the case.

I guess that argument could be made, though I haven't really seen it born out in reality yet. I have seen guys with similar or better talent than him best serve their teams off the bench though.

Jamal is not a good decision maker, penetrator, defender, or distributor. His best virtue is as a shooter, and even in that he's streaky.

I've never been Crawford's biggest critic and never will be. I think he's got a good heart and that's why I could never bring myself to hate him. But he's a pretty incomplete player, and I don't feel you can count on him to deliver unless he's in his zone, which he's constantly in and out of.

There are definitely times he's carried this team, but I don't find him consistent or complete enough to be counted on as a force.

i don't think any of that is off base at all... i agree he's a highly inconsistent player which is why i think he can be a secondary or third scoring option on a good team... when he's on he can literally carry his team, that much we know... when he's not, which does happen often, then u need that primary scoring option u can rely upon to carry the load.
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12/28/2008  6:39 PM
Game 1 Cleveland allowed 119pts they shot 53%
Game 2 Detroit allowed 110pts they shot 39%
Game 3 Golden State allowed 125pts they shot 45%
Game 4 Portland allowed 104pts they shot 44%
Game 5 Cleveland allowed 118pts they shot 51%
Game 6 Atlanta allowed 98pts they shot 49%
Game 7 Detroit allowed 92pts they shot 44%
Game 8 Chicago allowed 105pts they shot 47%
Game 9 New Jersey allowed 109pts they shot 54%
Game 10 Sacramento allowed 90pts they shot 37%
Game 11 Pheonix allowed 111pts they shot 45%
Game 12 Lakers allowed 116pts they shot 47%
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12/28/2008  6:44 PM
Yeah, Jamal, the go to guy.

I was so sick of seeing those end-of-quarter plays where he got the ball with 8 seconds, held on to it and chucked up a prayer. Go to my bollix.

23 wins. Go to. Seriously.
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12/28/2008  7:00 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.


I agree.

Crawford? As a go-to-guy? Oh please. Look, he could get himself open and wasn't afraid to take the shot but that does NOT make him a go-to-guy!

Over four years he had, what, 8 "game winners"? How is that a go-to-guy? 8 out of 328 games the guy came up big? That's good? LMFAO

Malik Rose has no problem chucking up a 3 pointer when the game is on the line does that make HIM a go-to-guy? According to the Jamal fan logic, IT DOES. So lets get Malik out there and prime him up for a 3 pointer!

So you guys want Crawful back, so he can go 2-15 from the field, only to be willing to take a final shot?

My god....maybe in those games where he took a final shot if he hadn't gone 2-15 and we had a player that went 7-15, we're winning by 10 going away and not looking for someone willing to jack up a final shot. Imagine that.

But, you won't, cause, Crawful fans don't even care if he makes a shot, as long as he does a crossover dribble, it's all good.

pfffft.... of all the insanity that has gone on with the Knicks and their fanbase, Crawful's fanboys are the most insane of them all.

Yeah, Crawful, HE would have won this game tonight, bar none, right? Riiiiighhhhht... Oh wait, he wouldn't cause he is out injured...after pulling his CHUCKING muscle.

It amazes me, Crawful fans will crap on John Starks, who was 10x the player Crawful was, and come out of nowhere and suggest we could beat the Nuggets tonight, who only won because no defense was played against them, if only Crawful was here to jack up a classic 5-29 game.

I really give up with ya's that are still crying that we traded Crawful.
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12/28/2008  7:01 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Not even the Giants won today. Of course, circumstances are way different: they were resting many bodies for the playoffs while the Knicks are still in the first half of their season and can only dream of the playoffs.

Ah, but I wanted that Giants win! Oh well, now its the real time to win!



Maybe they should sign Crawful as a WR and ZachAss as a lineman. Then they would have won. Stupid Giants!
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12/28/2008  7:08 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BlueSeats:

must be nice to have a "go to" guy.

like i said when the Jamal trade went down, the Knicks will miss that go to guy down the stretch of games when they need offense... i was happy they made the trade but you had to expect this.


I agree.

Crawford? As a go-to-guy? Oh please. Look, he could get himself open and wasn't afraid to take the shot but that does NOT make him a go-to-guy!

Over four years he had, what, 8 "game winners"? How is that a go-to-guy? 8 out of 328 games the guy came up big? That's good? LMFAO

Malik Rose has no problem chucking up a 3 pointer when the game is on the line does that make HIM a go-to-guy? According to the Jamal fan logic, IT DOES. So lets get Malik out there and prime him up for a 3 pointer!

So you guys want Crawful back, so he can go 2-15 from the field, only to be willing to take a final shot?

My god....maybe in those games where he took a final shot if he hadn't gone 2-15 and we had a player that went 7-15, we're winning by 10 going away and not looking for someone willing to jack up a final shot. Imagine that.

But, you won't, cause, Crawful fans don't even care if he makes a shot, as long as he does a crossover dribble, it's all good.

pfffft.... of all the insanity that has gone on with the Knicks and their fanbase, Crawful's fanboys are the most insane of them all.

Yeah, Crawful, HE would have won this game tonight, bar none, right? Riiiiighhhhht... Oh wait, he wouldn't cause he is out injured...after pulling his CHUCKING muscle.

It amazes me, Crawful fans will crap on John Starks, who was 10x the player Crawful was, and come out of nowhere and suggest we could beat the Nuggets tonight, who only won because no defense was played against them, if only Crawful was here to jack up a classic 5-29 game.

I really give up with ya's that are still crying that we traded Crawful.

yet another example of you not reading the posts in the thread before replying to them... show me where anyone is crying about us trading Jamal on this thread... show me which Jamal fans have crapped on John Starks... who has suggested we could beat the Nuggets tonight? where do u come up w/these things? u have a seriously wild imagination there bud.

the discussion between myself & Blueseats have pointed out all of Jamal's faults & have only cast Jamal as the go to guy on this team before the trades were made out of default... read the damn posts before u reply to them w/the same ol' Jamal sucks crap... it's getting old.
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12/28/2008  7:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

yet another example of you not reading the posts in the thread before replying to them... show me where anyone is crying about us trading Jamal on this thread... show me which Jamal fans have crapped on John Starks... who has suggested we could beat the Nuggets tonight? where do u come up w/these things? u have a seriously wild imagination there bud.

the discussion between myself & Blueseats have pointed out all of Jamal's faults & have only cast Jamal as the go to guy on this team before the trades were made out of default... read the damn posts before u reply to them w/the same ol' Jamal sucks crap... it's getting old.
Easy answer: During the past four years of Crawful, whenever he did poorly, on multiple forums Crawful fans would cite John Starks as an inconsistent example of a player. Even though John was superior in every category across the board, it was dismissed.

Now I see people crying we don't have a go-to-guy and Jamal was a go-to-guy.

Guess what, he wasn't. Just cause you're willing to jack up a shot doesn't make you a go-to-guy.


So now, while you're trying to say I'm pulling Crawful out of a hat, I'm not the one that brought him up, but I will put his bum ass down. That clown would not have won us tonight's game he would have been shat on for 50+ by Dontae Jones. You can bet on that.

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12/28/2008  7:19 PM
Oh and TMS I don't know why you want to have it both ways.

You say you're happy with the Jamal trade on one hand - but on the other you lament the trade because we don't have Crawful here jacking up shots.

Which is it?

If you're happy with the trade then acknowledge that he sucked as a player.
If you're not, then, don't say you're happy with the trade...but that you're ticked at fans like me who hated the player.

I don't see what you're getting at when you do that.
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12/28/2008  7:33 PM
Crawford>>>>Harrington



LOL, Comics is a funny dude. He is off the team and you are still doing this???
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12/28/2008  7:39 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:

yet another example of you not reading the posts in the thread before replying to them... show me where anyone is crying about us trading Jamal on this thread... show me which Jamal fans have crapped on John Starks... who has suggested we could beat the Nuggets tonight? where do u come up w/these things? u have a seriously wild imagination there bud.

the discussion between myself & Blueseats have pointed out all of Jamal's faults & have only cast Jamal as the go to guy on this team before the trades were made out of default... read the damn posts before u reply to them w/the same ol' Jamal sucks crap... it's getting old.
Easy answer: During the past four years of Crawful, whenever he did poorly, on multiple forums Crawful fans would cite John Starks as an inconsistent example of a player. Even though John was superior in every category across the board, it was dismissed.

Now I see people crying we don't have a go-to-guy and Jamal was a go-to-guy.

Guess what, he wasn't. Just cause you're willing to jack up a shot doesn't make you a go-to-guy.


So now, while you're trying to say I'm pulling Crawful out of a hat, I'm not the one that brought him up, but I will put his bum ass down. That clown would not have won us tonight's game he would have been shat on for 50+ by Dontae Jones. You can bet on that.

if u're talking about posters on other forums, then say as much... when u make these generalizing statements it gives off the impression that you're referring to the people commenting in that thread, or at the very least on the same topic on these message boards, which hasn't been the case.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Oh and TMS I don't know why you want to have it both ways.

You say you're happy with the Jamal trade on one hand - but on the other you lament the trade because we don't have Crawful here jacking up shots.

Which is it?

If you're happy with the trade then acknowledge that he sucked as a player.
If you're not, then, don't say you're happy with the trade...but that you're ticked at fans like me who hated the player.

I don't see what you're getting at when you do that.

where am i lamenting that we don't have Jamal? i said u had to expect this team to struggle down the stretch of games because Jamal was the closest thing to a go to guy this team had before the trades... Nate is now the closest thing we have but he's going to struggle more to get off his shots because he's just as streaky & is height disadvantaged... & where have i ever said i was ticked off at people who hated him? i've disagreed w/ur comments that he was garbage, that's it... why am i not allowed to disagree w/u about that & still like the trade because of the cap flexibility it provides?

like i said before, read the posts before u reply to them.
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