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12/23/2008  12:57 PM
Really, I would offer that everything offered so far doesn't amount to a hill of beans, but whatever. Feel free to pat yourself on the back for a brilliant contribution to this thread. Our meager efforts pale in comparison to your expert analysis. Please continue to dazzle us with your contributions.
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12/23/2008  1:16 PM
"Feel free to pat yourself on the back for a brilliant contribution to this thread"

Rookie - You are very welcome

"Our meager efforts pale in comparison to your expert analysis"

Rookie - I don't think it is appropriate that you speak for any other poster but yourself. Let's keep whatever differences of opinion betwen you and I. That is, so long as you can fight your own battles without calling for reinforcements.

I would offer that the "meager efforts" you speak of are more a self-imposed designation that you should accept full credit for.

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12/23/2008  1:32 PM
That's the whole point. You want to fight battles, I just wanted to share an observation. You still haven't proven anything if that was your intention.

If you think of BB I.Q as a team or individuals ability to read and react to any situation, then the best I can really say is that Chandler's grade is incomplete. In short, he looks like a rookie alot of the time but has had some good games. Who knows how high or low his ceiling is. From what I've seen so far, he is showing consistent good ability as a defender and can guard the tough 2's and 3's in the league. As his confidence builds, I think his offensive numbers will go up if he can continue to learn to read and react and take the good shots and he could become more consistent on offense with time....we'll have to wait and see.

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12/23/2008  2:01 PM
Rookie - I agree totally, the end-game on a forum is not to prove anything. There is not a single person who is more knowledgable than the next. It is ALL opinion. In that sense we are all equal. Nobody gets a prize or wins anything. If anyone posting on a forum were that smart, they would be drawing a check for that knowledge.

I used stats to illustrate my point.

As per your last post, we probably share a more fundamental appreciation for what Wilson Chandler brings to the table - but the conversation became sidetracked into an over analysis of the analysis. I ain't got no beef with you. My issue was with Gallofame for the attempt to dump The Mayor, of all people, into the trash box of being too stupid to play pro basketball.

I look forward to watching Chandler in two years, wearing a Knicks uniform.

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12/23/2008  3:50 PM
My issue was with Gallofame for the attempt to dump The Mayor, of all people, into the trash box of being too stupid to play pro basketball.

Questioning a player's BBall IQ is not the same as saying said player is stupid. For instance, BBall IQ is not fixed like actual IQ. Its possible for a player to improve their BBall IQ.

Someone might be good enough to play at a high level and be below average at areas like focus, anticipation, clock/game awareness ie situational awareness. Those things are possible to improve with experience. On the job training.

Thats why I refered to Chandlers gaffes as rookie-mistakes. Hopefully things he will learn over time will keep him from making these rookie-mistakes and then no one will have to question his bball IQ. As a rookie he gets a pass. If he's making these mistakes in his third or fourth year, then its a more serious issue.
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12/23/2008  4:57 PM
The Mayor would be a senior in college this season.

kam77 - I look forward to the debate over Danilo Gallinari's basketball IQ after he plays 62 games.

This discussion, along with the whispers that Danilo is "soft", will be a great barometer of the amount of patience that Knicks fans have for da two yoots.
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12/23/2008  5:03 PM
LOL, at people saying that Chandler stepping out of bounds is a low basketball IQ. I seen in this week alone Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant both do it twice. If Chandler's BB IQ is on par with theirs then sign me up.
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12/23/2008  5:07 PM
Posted by misterearl:


kam77 - I look forward to the debate over Danilo Gallinari's basketball IQ after he plays 62 games.

Why wait that long.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/25/2008  8:48 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

LOL, at people saying that Chandler stepping out of bounds is a low basketball IQ. I seen in this week alone Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant both do it twice. If Chandler's BB IQ is on par with theirs then sign me up.

Pharzeone - precisely 5 minutes ago, Marv Albert and Mike Fratello just commented on the rash of players being called for stepping out of bounds. They did NOT attribute the unusual numbers of players not being aware of where they were on the floor to poor IQ.

They attributed the increase of that call on more players taking a step back to get behind the three-point line.

The Mayor just got smarter.

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12/25/2008  8:50 PM
"Wilson Chandler has a chance of being invited for the Rookie-Sophomore Game"

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-26-2008 08:23 AM]
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12/26/2008  9:44 AM
In summary: Wilson is fine. He will make bonehead plays because he's young and that's what young players do. He's essentially in his rookie year and averaging 14 points and nearly 6 rebounds. Add in a block and a steal per game adn 83% from the line. If any other teams rookie was doing this we'd be crying about how we didn't draft him. He's got some concerns about his game and his aggression level at times but this isn't Stephon Marbury trying to make changes at 30+. This is a young guy who needs time to develop and leadership to help him. Not everyone can be a star and Chandler probably won't be. But regardless he is a good player that can help you.
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12/26/2008  10:01 AM
Rule Number Seven: If you make a statement, back it up

"Not everyone can be a star and Chandler probably won't be."

Probably won't be...?

Based on what?
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12/26/2008  10:10 AM
Quite to the contrary

Based on Chandler's limited experience, hitting the "rookie" wall as a first-time starter, playing despite a minor injury, re-calibrating his outside range, surrounded by all-new team mates, learning a new system under a new coach and swinging back and forth between two positions - don't forget matching up against Kobe - I would submit the young man has an excellent chance of being a star in the NBA.

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12/26/2008  12:15 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Rule Number Seven: If you make a statement, back it up

"Not everyone can be a star and Chandler probably won't be."

Probably won't be...?

Based on what?

Based on nothing but own personal viewing. It's my prediction and I'm okay with it. If he proves me wrong, great. It's still my prediction.

When I said Frank Williams and Lavor Postell would not be stars it was based on nothing but my own personal scouting report and nothing else. When I said that Michael Sweetney would be a star it was based on the same thing. None of these are any more harmful then any other silly prediction we make on this God Forsaken site.

None of us know what Wilson or Gallinari will become. We all can make predictions though.

Does this help you out? "Not everyone can be a star and Chandler probably won't be-IMO"


[Edited by - bippity10 on 26-12-2008 12:18 PM]
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12/26/2008  12:23 PM
I have to agree with Bip on this one, he probably won't be a star. He's not a true 2,3 or 4 at this point. He definitely needs to bulk up to play the 4, so there's always next year. I'd like to see him develop into a defensive force who can put up 10-12 points and grab some rebounds. He'll make a nice role player (7th or 8th man) somewhere, maybe it'll be here. I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was traded in a package for a true 3 or 4.

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12/26/2008  12:49 PM
Chandler is a career role player. The only way this team will develop its own star through the draft is if they get a top 5 pick. Notice I didn't say top 6, because Gallo will not be a star.
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12/26/2008  1:39 PM
JrZyHuStLa - hopefully that top 5 (that the Knicks don't have) first round "star" is not Michael Olowokandi, Shawn Bradley, Marcus Fizer, Johnathan Bender, Darko Milicic, Dennis Hopson, Kwame Brown, Chris Washburn, LaRue Martin, Sam Bowie, Joe Barry Caroll, Kent Benson, John Koncak or Rick Robey.

All were top 5 selections.
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12/26/2008  1:55 PM
"...a defensive force who can put up 10-12 points and grab some rebounds."

rookie - The young Mayor already averages 14 points and 6 rebounds.

With the valuable experience gained from his first year of starting, added confidence, wisdom, and the positive support of Mike D'Antoni, who has been in his corner since training camp, I expect Chandler to improve that by four points and three rebounds to 18 and 9 by the end of his third season.
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12/26/2008  1:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

JrZyHuStLa - hopefully that top 5 (that the Knicks don't have) first round "star" is not Michael Olowokandi, Shawn Bradley, Marcus Fizer, Johnathan Bender, Darko Milicic, Dennis Hopson, Kwame Brown, Chris Washburn, LaRue Martin, Sam Bowie, Joe Barry Caroll, Kent Benson, John Koncak or Rick Robey.

All were top 5 selections.

So were Michael Jordan, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Lebron James, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, and Patrick Ewing ? What's your point ?

My point is that you have a better chance of landing a stud with a top 5 pick because that talent has already been showcased. Obviously they don't all pan out though Earl.
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Posted by misterearl:

"...a defensive force who can put up 10-12 points and grab some rebounds."

rookie - The young Mayor already averages 14 points and 6 rebounds.

With the valuable experience gained from his first year of starting, added confidence, wisdom, and the positive support of Mike D'Antoni, who has been in his corner since training camp, I expect Chandler to improve that by four points and three rebounds to 18 and 9 by the end of his third season.

He's averaging around 7 points and 3 rebounds over the last three games. His numbers have gone down against tougher teams. His defense has been excellent though. When he can play great defense and still put up 10-12 against good teams while guarding star players he will have matured in my eyes. When he can put up those kind of numbers against playoff caliber teams is what I'm talking about. I really don't care if he puts up 30 points against a crappy team.Your not going to play crappy teams in the playoffs.

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