Posted by holfresh:


More food for thought....Let's say LeBron resigns, why wouldn't a guy like Bosh sign with Cleveland for a shot at winning it all...They will have the money available....

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BRIGGS:

We'll get a FA--but if it is not Lebron while their may be some great players out there everything/anything else will be second rate. I think we can get 1 FA and my bet is it will be Stoudemire. Not bad but he's also a risk and not the same guy before surgery.

probably not amare b/c of prior beef with d'antoni.

i think if the knicks don't get lebron or wade, then the 2010 plan was unnecessary. they are the only two true franchise changing players available that summer. otherwise, the knicks could've put together a team like the clippers and would be perfectly fine in the eastern conference w/ d'antoni.

and how far would a team like that go? thats not championship level, so whats the point?

Capspace opens up many possibilities, its not just about 2010. It's about having a competent franchise that can make moves when necessary rather than being strapped and only being able to add only mid-level talents year after year. All this complaining is why they say you can't rebuild in NY.

how many teams TRULY contend for a championship?

boston (traded for kg)
cleveland (drafted lebron)
spurs (drafted duncan)
lakers (drafted kobe, traded for gasol)

everybody else...are they TRULY championship contenders?

it's not about championship or bust. it's about putting together the best team you can and see where it goes. only the lucky ones get to that elite level.

of the teams i mentioned above, how many of them signed their star players via free agency?

championship or bust is a total BS ideology that needs to be dropped immediately. that's not how it works. would you rather have the team lose every single year accumulating lotto picks that still don't guarantee anything (look at the bulls and hawks)?

the #1 objective is to win games and it's the gm's job to get as many players as he can that will help them do that. the championship chase is only for the lucky few.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-21-2008 1:53 PM]

Posted by jaydh:

dj, the point was this team was going nowhere with the current makeup. so again, whats the point of going forward with the same team? zach and JC were just preventing this team from making future moves.

Posted by djsunyc:

plus, there's a very good chance that the player the knicks want in 2010 will have to be obtained via a sign and trade so the player can get more money and the extra year...so they may need a contract or two that year to get it done.

signing dlee for $10 mil a year give the knicks a player to use in a sign and trade in 2010 if need be. and if they can't get their player, at least they still have lee who may walk for nothing.

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Posted by jaydh:

dj, the point was this team was going nowhere with the current makeup. so again, whats the point of going forward with the same team? zach and JC were just preventing this team from making future moves.

i'm not saying keep jc or zach. but i pose this to you: what if they kept zach, traded lee for camby (a deal i'm 100% positive denver does) and then engineer some sort of 3 team deal where golden state got craw, charlotte got harrington + nate and knicks end up with jrich.

duhon + jrich + ??? + zach + camby w/ d'antoni as coach

i'm positive ALOT of knicks fans would sign up for that. and that would just be year one. then you can start tweaking as it goes.

isiah's plan was not the wrong one. it's just that he brought in the wrong players and he created a terrible atmosphere for them.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-21-2008 2:03 PM]

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by jaydh:

dj, the point was this team was going nowhere with the current makeup. so again, whats the point of going forward with the same team? zach and JC were just preventing this team from making future moves.

i'm not saying keep jc or zach. but i pose this to you: what if they kept zach, traded lee for camby (a deal i'm 100% positive denver does) and then engineer some sort of 3 team deal where golden state got craw, charlotte got harrington + nate and knicks end up with jrich.

duhon + jrich + ??? + zach + camby w/ d'antoni as coach

i'm positive ALOT of knicks fans would sign up for that. and that would just be year one. then you can start tweaking as it goes.

isiah's plan was not the wrong one. it's just that he brought in the wrong players and he created a terrible atmosphere for them.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-21-2008 2:03 PM]

As far as I understood it, Denver wanted to get as close to the luxury tax threshold as possible. In order to take Camby, we would have to send about equal salary back. I'm not so sure they would have taken that over the opportunity to pay less taxes, but i guess thats debatable.

And as far as the lineup goes, I want to see what our young players are or can become rather than selling them for nothing since we couldn't give them PT to see what they are really worth. Nate could be better than JRich.

Duhon-Nate-Chandler-Gallo-Lee could be a better team in the future while having money to add to it rather than again being strapped and only adding midlevel guys.

Posted by jaydh:

That's true. To me its more than just 2010. It's the ability to have capspace in any given year, something we have never had. I'm willing to try something different.