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McK1
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12/9/2008  9:34 AM
duhon on the celts would be the same as duhon on the bulls

7 & 6 with a stl.

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12/9/2008  9:53 AM
Posted by McK1:

duhon on the celts would be the same as duhon on the bulls

7 & 6 with a stl.

Do you rate players on how they would do if they were on another team? Or do you rate players based on how they are doing in their current situation?
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12/9/2008  9:55 AM
That being said he did come to a 23 win team so who really cares about his play.

Is that sarcastic? I think he's done a great job in his role and he's come to a 23 win team and has helped the team turn into a group of guys competing with just about every team (With a couple of real bad bumps) every night. He's definitely earned the right to have people care about his play and to have people turn their heads towards him for a second or 2.
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12/9/2008  10:36 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

duhon on the celts would be the same as duhon on the bulls

7 & 6 with a stl.

Do you rate players on how they would do if they were on another team? Or do you rate players based on how they are doing in their current situation?

another team plus past performance.

duhon stayed an even 7 & 6 playing 3 years in a half court offense regardless of the minutes he was getting

imo this yr is an abberation. The cause being the way this offense runs.
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12/9/2008  10:42 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

duhon on the celts would be the same as duhon on the bulls

7 & 6 with a stl.

Do you rate players on how they would do if they were on another team? Or do you rate players based on how they are doing in their current situation?

another team plus past performance.

duhon stayed an even 7 & 6 playing 3 years in a half court offense regardless of the minutes he was getting

imo this yr is an abberation. The cause being the way this offense runs.

So if a guy sucks for 10 years and then comes to your team and scores 35 points a game and leads you to multiple titles you would be more worried about his past performance and how he would look in someone else's offense?

I personally only care about how he is doing right now. If we are talking about acquiring a Duhon or a Rondo than you worry about past performance. If you are trying to evaluate who is playing better right now the rest of that stuff doesn't matter. It's obviously close between the two or else we would not be having this discussion. but for our system I don't think Rondo is as successful as he is now. All that aside, if all I'm concerned with is impact on the team and how they are playing right now, I take Duhon. 23 win team before he got here, respectable now. He doesn't just play a role on our team, like Rondo does in Boston. He has actually led us.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-12-2008 11:01 AM]
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12/9/2008  11:02 AM
no i wouldn't be.

as far as performance goes those for alot of guys, where you play matters. some people are made by the system

take Shawn Marion for instance. he is not the same player in miami that he was in phoenix.

i look at duhon's past performance and say its the system at this point. taken out of this system there is no evidence he doesn't goes back to his career norm just like there is no evidence that his play would remain elevated. in the end its just a matter of opinion til it happens.
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12/9/2008  11:05 AM
Posted by McK1:

no i wouldn't be.

as far as performance goes those for alot of guys, where you play matters. some people are made by the system

take Shawn Marion for instance. he is not the same player in miami that he was in phoenix.

i look at duhon's past performance and say its the system at this point. taken out of this system there is no evidence he doesn't goes back to his career norm just like there is no evidence that his play would remain elevated. in the end its just a matter of opinion til it happens.

Exactly my point, so when evaluating who's having a better year and having a bigger impact on their team I don't care about all that other stuff. I just care about right now.
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12/9/2008  11:11 AM
so who is having the better year?
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12/9/2008  12:40 PM
Posted by McK1:

so who is having the better year?

Personally I think Duhon. I think what puts him over the hump so far is the fact that he is not only putting up solid numbers but he is also leading his team instead of being a role player on a team with 3 leaders. Not a knock on Rajon, I just put more weight on what Duhon has done with this club so far.
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12/9/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

so who is having the better year?

Personally I think Duhon. I think what puts him over the hump so far is the fact that he is not only putting up solid numbers but he is also leading his team instead of being a role player on a team with 3 leaders. Not a knock on Rajon, I just put more weight on what Duhon has done with this club so far.

Exactly! Rajon's team can win despite the kind of game he has, if Duhon doesn't play well our chances of winning decrease significantly. He is the leader of the team and has raised the level of play of the team. In fact I think now that Jamal and Zach are gone, Duhon is able to take charge more often and control what is happening on the floor. If you factor in the shorthanded roster and inevitable adjustment period for the new guys, it's conceivable that this team is going to be better now once we get past this period of change.

I think MDA saw the signs much earlier than we could that Duhon was going to be terrific in this role. I'm glad for his foresight in this regard. In fact MDA had a chance to get a guy like a Rondo for this team when it was draft time. It's clear that he convinced Walsh that the athletic guards available in the draft weren't what he needed to run this offense. They could perhaps have been good SG options, but to run the point it's clear that to play team ball the way Duhon does is not what many of those guys do. We already have seen what having a stud combo guard leads to. It may look exciting, but it doesn't always lead to wins!!!!
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12/9/2008  6:15 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by McK1:

duhon on the celts would be the same as duhon on the bulls

7 & 6 with a stl.

Do you rate players on how they would do if they were on another team? Or do you rate players based on how they are doing in their current situation?

another team plus past performance.

duhon stayed an even 7 & 6 playing 3 years in a half court offense regardless of the minutes he was getting

imo this yr is an abberation. The cause being the way this offense runs.

before Ray Ray & KG got to BOS, Rondo was a 6 /4 / 4 player... albeit was his rookie season but if u wanna base ur judgements on past experience of him playing on a crappy team, he didn't show much of anything either & even still he had Paul Pierce to play w/on that team, who's better than anyone we currently have... if u don't think adding 2 Allstars to the roster doesn't help a player like Rondo tremendously u'r just being naive.
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12/9/2008  10:02 PM
If Derrick Rose was on the Bulls he would bbe putting up Rondo's #'s
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12/12/2008  4:00 PM
Out of the big 3 ray allen is the only one who for the most part plays a catch and shoot game. the other 2 like to go one on one which subsequently kills the chance to get credited with an assist.

Duhon on the other hand plays in a system that advocates catch and shoot at least 7 of the time and with the exception of allen and house, Boston is not as good as NY spot up shooting from outside.

for a 3rd year guy who is all of 22 averaging 10 pts 7 assists 5 rebs and 2 plus stls and 2 turnovers with no jumper, playing with 2 guys who like the offense to run thru them and one guy who is consistently a threat from outside is phenomenal.

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